Chicago Priest's death threats to be on Fox News tonight

[obxned]

Criminal behavior caught on tape and with thousands of witnesses should result in a quick and sure conviction!

 

[tegemu]

His actions are in direct conflict with one of the basic premises of Catholicism - Respect for Life. He should be reported to his Bishop/Archbishop and if that doesn't produce satisfactory results, then to the Vatican. The Pope, a former WWII German Soldier is very familiar with such Nazi like activities.

 

[Turkey Creek]

Why is it that the higher up the ladder of power a person climbs, the stupider they become and think they can get away with murder?

It's called "The Peter Principle", which states that people will rise to one step beyond their highest level of competance- I've noticed in the last number of years that, unlike the first inception of the Peter Principle, when people would rise no further than their first level of incompetancy, apparently now there is no limit-

 

[HiroProX]

ZeSpectre, it has nothing really to do with us. This hack masquerading as a "holy man" simply slipped. They don't want anyone to have guns because they project their own violent and hateful nature on others. They think, that if they are such "better people" and would have an inability to control their temper and call for the death of those who disagree with them, that obviously us "anti-socialist mental defectives" would be far prone to violence.

It's very simple, these people, are sociopaths.

 

[Zen21Tao]

Criminal behavior caught on tape and with thousands of witnesses should result in a quick and sure conviction!

That's only if it's a moderate or a conservative committing the behavior. Low life scum on the left like Pfleger and especially Jackson continue to get a free pass.

 

[Crunker1337]

This guy needs to be behind bars... not for his (wrong) opinion on gun control, but because he made a direct threat to a citizen and attempted to cause violence.

And I thought that "Thou shalt not kill." Can someone explain to me what gives priests/reverends the ability to disregard the Ten Commandments at will?

 

[Jeff White]

Let's see what kinds of offenses the good father committed

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilc...eqEnd=26500000&ActName=Criminal+Code+of+1961.
First off there is assault:

(720 ILCS 5/12‑1) (from Ch. 38, par. 12‑1)
Sec. 12‑1. Assault.
(a) A person commits an assault when, without lawful authority, he engages in conduct which places another in reasonable apprehension of receiving a battery.
(b) Sentence. Assault is a Class C misdemeanor.
(c) In addition to any other sentence that may be imposed, a court shall order any person convicted of assault to perform community service for not less than 30 and not more than 120 hours, if community service is available in the jurisdiction and is funded and approved by the county board of the county where the offense was committed. In addition, whenever any person is placed on supervision for an alleged offense under this Section, the supervision shall be conditioned upon the performance of the community service.
This subsection does not apply when the court imposes a sentence of incarceration.
(Source: P.A. 88‑558, eff. 1‑1‑95; 89‑8, eff. 3‑21‑95.)

Then there is Aggravated Assault:

(720 ILCS 5/12‑2) (from Ch. 38, par. 12‑2)
(Text of Section from P.A. 94‑243)
Sec. 12‑2. Aggravated assault.
(a) A person commits an aggravated assault, when, in committing an assault, he:
(1) Uses a deadly weapon or any device manufactured and designed to be substantially similar in appearance to a firearm, other than by discharging a firearm in the direction of another person, a peace officer, a person summoned or directed by a peace officer, a correctional officer or a fireman or in the direction of a vehicle occupied by another person, a peace officer, a person summoned or directed by a peace officer, a correctional officer or a fireman while the officer or fireman is engaged in the execution of any of his official duties, or to prevent the officer or fireman from performing his official duties, or in retaliation for the officer or fireman performing his official duties;
(2) Is hooded, robed or masked in such manner as to conceal his identity or any device manufactured and designed to be substantially similar in appearance to a firearm;
(3) Knows the individual assaulted to be a teacher or other person employed in any school and such teacher or other employee is upon the grounds of a school or grounds adjacent thereto, or is in any part of a building used for school purposes;
(4) Knows the individual assaulted to be a supervisor, director, instructor or other person employed in any park district and such supervisor, director, instructor or other employee is upon the grounds of the park or grounds adjacent thereto, or is in any part of a building used for park purposes;
(5) Knows the individual assaulted to be a caseworker, investigator, or other person employed by the State Department of Public Aid, a County Department of Public Aid, or the Department of Human Services (acting as successor to the Illinois Department of Public Aid under the Department of Human Services Act) and such caseworker, investigator, or other person is upon the grounds of a public aid office or grounds adjacent thereto, or is in any part of a building used for public aid purposes, or upon the grounds of a home of a public aid applicant, recipient or any other person being interviewed or investigated in the employees' discharge of his duties, or on grounds adjacent thereto, or is in any part of a building in which the applicant, recipient, or other such person resides or is located;
(6) Knows the individual assaulted to be a peace officer, or a community policing volunteer, or a fireman while the officer or fireman is engaged in the execution of any of his official duties, or to prevent the officer, community policing volunteer, or fireman from performing his official duties, or in retaliation for the officer, community policing volunteer, or fireman performing his official duties, and the assault is committed other than by the discharge of a firearm in the direction of the officer or fireman or in the direction of a vehicle occupied by the officer or fireman;
(7) Knows the individual assaulted to be an emergency medical technician ‑ ambulance, emergency medical technician ‑ intermediate, emergency medical technician ‑ paramedic, ambulance driver or other medical assistance or first aid personnel engaged in the execution of any of his official duties, or to prevent the emergency medical technician ‑ ambulance, emergency medical technician ‑ intermediate, emergency medical technician ‑ paramedic, ambulance driver, or other medical assistance or first aid personnel from performing his official duties, or in retaliation for the emergency medical technician ‑ ambulance, emergency medical technician ‑ intermediate, emergency medical technician ‑ paramedic, ambulance driver, or other medical assistance or first aid personnel performing his official duties;
(8) Knows the individual assaulted to be the driver, operator, employee or passenger of any transportation facility or system engaged in the business of transportation of the public for hire and the individual assaulted is then performing in such capacity or then using such public transportation as a passenger or using any area of any description designated by the transportation facility or system as a vehicle boarding, departure, or transfer location;
(9) Or the individual assaulted is on or about a public way, public property, or public place of accommodation or amusement;
(10) Knows the individual assaulted to be an employee of the State of Illinois, a municipal corporation therein or a political subdivision thereof, engaged in the performance of his authorized duties as such employee;
(11) Knowingly and without legal justification, commits an assault on a physically handicapped person;
(12) Knowingly and without legal justification, commits an assault on a person 60 years of age or older;
(13) Discharges a firearm;
(14) Knows the individual assaulted to be a correctional officer, while the officer is engaged in the execution of any of his or her official duties, or to prevent the officer from performing his or her official duties, or in retaliation for the officer performing his or her official duties;
(15) Knows the individual assaulted to be a correctional employee or an employee of the Department of Human Services supervising or controlling sexually dangerous persons or sexually violent persons, while the employee is engaged in the execution of any of his or her official duties, or to prevent the employee from performing his or her official duties, or in retaliation for the employee performing his or her official duties, and the assault is committed other than by the discharge of a firearm in the direction of the employee or in the direction of a vehicle occupied by the employee;
(16) Knows the individual assaulted to be an employee of a police or sheriff's department engaged in the performance of his or her official duties as such employee; or
(17) Knows the individual assaulted to be a sports official or coach at any level of competition and the act causing the assault to the sports official or coach occurred within an athletic facility or an indoor or outdoor playing field or within the immediate vicinity of the athletic facility or an indoor or outdoor playing field at which the sports official or coach was an active participant in the athletic contest held at the athletic facility. For the purposes of this paragraph (17), "sports official" means a person at an athletic contest who enforces the rules of the contest, such as an umpire or referee; and "coach" means a person recognized as a coach by the sanctioning authority that conducted the athletic contest.
(18) Knows the individual assaulted to be an emergency management worker, while the emergency management worker is engaged in the execution of any of his or her official duties, or to prevent the emergency management worker from performing his or her official duties, or in retaliation for the emergency management worker performing his or her official duties, and the assault is committed other than by the discharge of a firearm in the direction of the emergency management worker or in the direction of a vehicle occupied by the emergency management worker.
(a‑5) A person commits an aggravated assault when he or she knowingly and without lawful justification shines or flashes a laser gunsight or other laser device that is attached or affixed to a firearm, or used in concert with a firearm, so that the laser beam strikes near or in the immediate vicinity of any person.
(b) Sentence.
Aggravated assault as defined in paragraphs (1) through (5) and (8) through (12) and (17) of subsection (a) of this Section is a Class A misdemeanor. Aggravated assault as defined in paragraphs (13), (14), and (15) of subsection (a) of this Section and as defined in subsection (a‑5) of this Section is a Class 4 felony. Aggravated assault as defined in paragraphs (6), (7), (16), and (18) of subsection (a) of this Section is a Class A misdemeanor if a firearm is not used in the commission of the assault. Aggravated assault as defined in paragraphs (6), (7), (16), and (18) of subsection (a) of this Section is a Class 4 felony if a firearm is used in the commission of the assault.
(Source: P.A. 93‑692, eff. 1‑1‑05; 94‑243, eff. 1‑1‑06.)

Then there is Intimidation:

(720 ILCS 5/12‑6) (from Ch. 38, par. 12‑6)
Sec. 12‑6. Intimidation.
(a) A person commits intimidation when, with intent to cause another to perform or to omit the performance of any act, he communicates to another, whether in person, by telephone or by mail, a threat to perform without lawful authority any of the following acts:
(1) Inflict physical harm on the person threatened or any other person or on property; or
(2) Subject any person to physical confinement or restraint; or
(3) Commit any criminal offense; or
(4) Accuse any person of an offense; or
(5) Expose any person to hatred, contempt or ridicule; or
(6) Take action as a public official against anyone or anything, or withhold official action, or cause such action or withholding; or
(7) Bring about or continue a strike, boycott or other collective action.
(b) Sentence.
Intimidation is a Class 3 felony for which an offender may be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 2 years and not more than 10 years.
(Source: P.A. 91‑696, eff. 4‑13‑00.)

Then there is threatening public officials:

(720 ILCS 5/12‑9) (from Ch. 38, par. 12‑9)
Sec. 12‑9. Threatening public officials.
(a) A person commits the offense of threatening a public official when:
(1) that person knowingly and willfully delivers or

conveys, directly or indirectly, to a public official by any means a communication:
(i) containing a threat that would place the

public official or a member of his or her immediate family in reasonable apprehension of immediate or future bodily harm, sexual assault, confinement, or restraint; or
(ii) containing a threat that would place the

public official or a member of his or her immediate family in reasonable apprehension that damage will occur to property in the custody, care, or control of the public official or his or her immediate family; and
(2) the threat was conveyed because of the

performance or nonperformance of some public duty, because of hostility of the person making the threat toward the status or position of the public official, or because of any other factor related to the official's public existence.
(b) For purposes of this Section:
(1) "Public official" means a person who is elected to office in accordance with a statute or who is appointed to an office which is established, and the qualifications and duties of which are prescribed, by statute, to discharge a public duty for the State or any of its political subdivisions or in the case of an elective office any person who has filed the required documents for nomination or election to such office. "Public official" includes a duly appointed assistant State's Attorney.
(2) "Immediate family" means a public official's spouse or child or children.
(c) Threatening a public official is a Class 3 felony for a first offense and a Class 2 felony for a second or subsequent offense.
(Source: P.A. 91‑335, eff. 1‑1‑00; 91‑387, eff. 1‑1‑00; 92‑16, eff. 6‑28‑01.)

 

[MrRezister]

Jeff, you're talking about a man of Gawd here - your silly man-laws don't apply. At least until he tries to display the ten commandments on public property, then it's time to take him down!

 

[Jeff White]

I somehow can't shake the feeling that if the progun people had threatened to snuff the antis, someone would be out on bond after being charged with a felony or two.

Jeff

 

[Zen21Tao]

I somehow can't shake the feeling that if the progun people had threatened to snuff the antis, someone would be out on bond after being charged with a felony or two.

Funny thing. Alan (the weasel) Colmes defended the peaceful padre saying that Conservatives always use the "what if we did that" argument. All I could of is YES... because it is always the libs doing stuff like this and getting away with it. There is absolutely no accountability on the left. This happens so frequently that even someone as dim witted as Alan Colmes can see and point to a pattern of conservative outrage.

 

[GoRon]

Here is a longer audio clip of the Priest and his infamous words.

I doubt he meant to incite violence but if a conservative used such inflammatory rhetoric it would be headline news and he would be forced to apologize and/or step down.

http://images.radcity.net/5149/1962651.mp3

 

[Autolycus]

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–noun 1. the charred or partly consumed portion of a candlewick.
2. a thing of little or no value, esp. if left over.
–verb (used with object) 3. to cut off or remove the snuff of (candles, tapers, etc.).
—Verb phrase4. snuff out, a. to extinguish: to snuff out a candle.
b. to suppress; crush: to snuff out opposition.
c. Informal. to kill or murder: Many lives were snuffed out during the epidemic.

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I am going to give the priest the benefit of the doubt. It does mean both things, and I think the gunnies are just trying to raise a stink. Either way I disagree with the politics of the priest but he has every right to say them.

I dont think it is high road to tell him to leave or other personal attacks, especially on a member of the clergy.

 

[General Geoff]

I couldn't possibly give this priest any "benefit of the doubt." How does one drag a man from his home, in order to suppress him? It's rather obvious what he meant when he said "snuff."

 

[AntiqueCollector]

Catholic priests are generally forbidden by the Church to become so engaged in politics as this; many South American clergy were strongly warned to stay out of politics in recent decades when many were getting involved with socialists and others there. Sending some (polite) messages to his superiors (for example the Archbishop) just may see some results, if only ending his protesting career if he wishes to remain a priest. I somehow doubt anyone in

 

[NukemJim]

It does mean both things,

Uhmm... I'm confused. When taken in context and after the part of dragging him out of the store, that he means "to kill" is the only possible meaning of the word.

If he claims he meant something else then he is claiming his own incompetency, a Priest is a profesional communicator. He makes his living with words.

Bottom line he is either A) A criminal for advocating the illegal killing of a person, or B) Incompentent is his profession.

I can see no 3rd alternative.

NukemJim

 

[alucard0822]

I am going to give the priest the benefit of the doubt. It does mean both things, and I think the gunnies are just trying to raise a stink. Either way I disagree with the politics of the priest but he has every right to say them.

I dont think it is high road to tell him to leave or other personal attacks, especially on a member of the clergy.

There is a difference between "free speech" and criminal actions. The whole yelling fire in a crowded theatre and bomb threat thing. He has a right as we all do to voice opposition or approval of most things, but not to insite violence, or threaten people.

As far as it being un-THR to inform us of this and to call for the dismissal of a person who blatantly violated the civil rights of a gun shop owner, and went as far as to attempt to insite a riot that could have killed or injured people, I belive that is the purpose of THR.

His being a member of the clergy would lead one to belive he lives by a higher moral standard than most, and as someone who chooses to live in a position of moral leadership and spiritual guidance to the masses, his actions are inexcusable and should not be tolerated.

The fact that he is unapologetic about the ordeal and is in fact being defended by liberal media folks should outrage people, and people should act, not in the criminal ways that the priest has done, but in legal and responsible ways, write the church, support the gun shop, contact politicians and so on.

Part of the reason things like this continue to go on is that we do not act when things like this happen, and gun owners are easy targets by people who fear confronting criminals, but want someone to blame none the less. We can organize and put a stop to this, we have the numbers, we have the truth, if noone stands up it will continue.

 

[Nanook]

I dont think it is high road to tell him to leave or other personal attacks, especially on a member of the clergy

A member of the clergy should take the high road, this one never does. He never has, and it seems he never will.

The Bible mentions something about 'an eye for an eye', doesn't it?

This man steeps himself in black culture, he preaches like a black minister, he speaks in riddles and rhymes like Jesse Jackson, believe me he knows what 'snuff' means, and he used it in that context. He more than understands the slang, since he uses it regularly. And loudly, usually in front of a camera.

Plain and simple, this member of the clergy advocated dragging a man out of his legal business and killing him right there in the street. It's that simple, and that illegal. He should be brought up on charges, his profession notwithstanding.

He's been getting away with this behavior for decades, it's time for it to be stopped. Before some of his flock take him up on his suggestions and someone is really killed.

 

[Justin]

I dont think it is high road to tell him to leave or other personal attacks, especially on a member of the clergy.

Demanding the resignation of someone who called for the suppression of another's rights, be it through murder or "suppression" is neither a personal attack nor a failure to take the high road.

That Pfleger happens to have stumbled into some sort of respectability due to his status as a clergy member is hardly a reason to refrain from criticizing his actions. In fact, I would submit that it should be quite the opposite, given that he's blatantly abusing his position as an authority.

 

[Deanimator]

That Pfleger happens to have stumbled into some sort of respectability due to his status as a clergy member is hardly a reason to refrain from criticizing his actions. In fact, I would submit that it should be quite the opposite, given that he's blatantly abusing his position as an authority.

Pfleger deserves no more respect than any "Identity Christian" "minister" like Richard Butler. Both are hate-filled shams and frauds with an agenda of malice and destruction.

 

[phantomak47]

My favorite Catholic Speaker is a Priest who travels around the country and gives Catholic talks. Anyways, he tells a story about someone who was trying to attack him outside his residence, he starts saying that he had something on his side that his attacker did not have, his loaded 45 !!!!!

 

[Matt King]

Does the Roman Catholic Church have an official position on the RKBA?

 

[nezumi]

I know the RCC has supported the right to use deadly force in self defense, or in defense of a defenseless individual. The RCC also supported the Polish resistance under the USSR, but I don't know if that was violent or not. AFAIK, I've never heard anything in regards to legal and upstanding citizens owning firearms for self defense outside of the home. Of course, individuals within the organization may have their own beliefs.

 

[fedlaw]

Cardinal rebukes Pfleger for 'threat'

Cardinal rebukes Pfleger for 'threat'
(http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/419056,CST-NWS-Pfleger08.article)

June 8, 2007

BY SUSAN HOGAN/ALBACH Religion Reporter/[email protected]

Cardinal Francis George has taken an unusual step: issuing a statement about the Archdiocese of Chicago’s activist priest, the Rev. Michael Pfleger, for comments he made at an anti-gun rally.

It is the latest episode in longstanding tensions between George and Pfleger, who have clashed over everything from doctrine to politics.

Pfleger said Thursday, “I thought things were getting better.”

The cardinal said in his statement: “Publicly delivering a threat against anyone’s life betrays the civil order and is morally outrageous, especially if this threat came from a priest.”

But Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina parish, said he didn’t make a threat, and that no one from the archdiocese contacted him about the May 26 rally outside of Chuck’s Gun Shop in Riverdale, run by John Riggio.

“We’re going to snuff out John Riggio,” Pfleger told the estimated 200 people at the rally. “We’re going to snuff out legislators that are voting against our gun laws.”

What did he mean by ‘snuff’?

Pfleger said he didn’t know the word “snuff” was slang for “killing.”

“Police were there. Reporters were there. No one understood me as calling for murder,” he said. “I was talking about exposing the gun shop owners and legislators who support them.”

Riggio said he’s considering legal action and referred the Sun-Times to his attorney, William Howard of Chicago. Howard called Pfleger’s statements “alarming” and “slanderous.”

“John Riggio is selling a legal product in a legal way,” he said. “They made it sound at the rally that he’s doing all of these horrible things. Well, he’s not.”

Three days after the rally, the Illinois State Rifle Association issued a press release headlined, “Chicago Priest Calls for Murder of Gun Shop Owner.” The leader of the association said he was writing to the archdiocese for an apology.

Since then, the archdiocese and the priest said they’ve been deluged with complaints.

The cardinal said that it “was up to civil authorities” to determine whether a threat was made.

Riverdale police called the rally “peaceful” and said no investigation was warranted.
Cardinal’s actions confuse priests

The Rev. Jesse Jackson, who also spoke at the rally, said gun associations were twisting Pfleger’s use of the word “snuff” to stifle his activism and divert attention from the issue of gun violence.

Several of the archdiocese’s priests said privately they were baffled by the cardinal’s statement. His spokeswoman, Colleen Dolan, said the cardinal wasn’t bowing to pressure from members of gun associations.

Talking tough

What Pfleger said:

* About John Riggio of Chuck's Gun Shop:

"We're going to find you and snuff you out. . . . Like a rat you're going to hide. But like a rat, we're going to catch you and pull you out."

* More "snuff":

"We're going to snuff out John Riggio. We're going to snuff out legislators that are voting against our gun laws.We're coming for you because we're not going to sit idly."

* About legislators and National Rifle Association:

"We will embarrass every legislator that takes money from you. We will call them out by name, by district. We will expose you, legislators."

* On battling gun violence:

"Keep on fighting, people."

Source: Illinois State Rifle Association

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

Pfleger said he didn’t know the word “snuff” was slang for “killing.”

And I didn't know that "lying SOB" describes Pfleger...

I hope John Riggio enjoys the millions he should rake out of the Archdiocese.

 

[arthurcw]

From what I understand, this guy has been driving Cardinal George batty for years.

He gets on TV and is a media darling. He's just a bully full of himself with a PR machine that loves him because of his controversy.

If he was "silenced" by the Bishop; that would be EXACTLY what he wants. Then he would be on every morning talk show as the MAN WHO STOOD UP TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

As a Priest: I respect his calling and office. I would receive any sacraments from him that were CORRECTLY and VALIDLY administered.

As a man: He needs to be blunted at every turn and shown for the fraud he is.

Glad the Cardinal said something. Keep flooding the mail boxes.

Oh... and WHO IN THE HECK doesn't know what "snuff" means??? You don’t have many options? Was he calling for them to be turned into ground or shredded tobacco products? Was he saying that he would like to smell them? I hope they bathed.

Or is the good Padre such and erudite fellow that he wanted the whole of the Illinois Anti Gun lobby to find everyone they deemed to be pro gun and, to a MAN, have the whole anti gun lobby deride the nasty gun purveyors with a smart and rude *Sniff* in their general direction to really show the displeasure of the right thinking masses!

Horse S... snot.

Now... Did he think anyone would act on it? Probably not. Did he think he’d be called on the carpet? Definitely not. I have no doubt he meant what he said. But I also have no doubt also that he didn’t intend for the protesters to do anything other than yell, “HAZZAH!”

But what if…? That’s why you have to watch your words. That’s why, of all people, PRIESTS have to watch their words. That’s why I would love to see him held accountable. He yelled fire in a crowded theater and got away with it… this time.