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Convince me to rejoin the NRA....

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After reading this thread I joined the NRA for the first time ... Thanks for the info guys
And if 30 bucks and some calls and mail is the price I pay for defending my constitutional rights I think im getting the better end of the deal
 
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All should be with the NRA and if you want to join others, do that also...

Like the rental car company ads some time ago, there is a "number one" and NRA is it...

Regards
 
People forget that the NRA is NOT a political/lobbying organization (that's the NRA-ILA).

Politics and lobbying aside, the NRA is a great educational institution that provides firearms training and educational materials for all levels of shooters. They provide insurance for shooting ranges (which would be difficult without them), they support gunsmithing schools they maintain one of the greatest firearm museums in the world, they support the shooting sports, they support hunters, they support training for police and produce several decent magazines.

If all gun control went away tomorrow the NRA would still be real busy with all this other stuff.
 
Hello all, RON L here, No, I don't support the NRA, they have sold us out Far too Many times, they fight only the battles that they want or know they can win! Thats not supporting my 2ND Admendmewnt right, right now, the NRA is no beter than the DCC as far as i se it as they seem to fallen into Just a Political Mode? I have been a member for Decades and will not continue! Between the sell outs of MG Owners to Getting folks like Laperer to represent us? N Tnaks,m many Small Groups doing the same work THe NRA SHOULD BE DOING! Ask THE NRA how the Right fight i CA is going they wil tell you, they have no idea as they have all but left that to the Dems and anti's to run? No, Way Good reasons not t support these folks as they are nmore about begging for $ then accomplishing thigs, yup, I did enjoy the Magazines and all, but won't support folks of that ilkl! Fire away at me if ya like, but I know the deal and you will have to try hard to convince me other wise!


RON
 
Ok, I look at it this way. I gave the NRA $25. The NRA picks fights that it can win because that's how you accomplish things in politics. You have to gain ground gradually and make sacrifices. It sucks, but it is what it is. You can't take a no-compromise approach and accomplish very much. It's politics. There is no honor among thieves.

Let's say I don't join the NRA or anyone else because of disagreements I may have with their groups. Now the only thing I have left is my one, tiny little vote. Unless I'm writing congress members daily and giving speeches in the park, there's not a whole lot I'm actually doing for the RKBA except for buying ammunition and guns.
 
Jimmy

Yup, Not a Lot else to say, I will support Orginazations that DO Fight to win and that will take on a Fight, not just he ones they can win? How you can support a Groupmthat won't is beyond me? Let just hope you never end up needing them and they sell you out?

RON
 
C'mon Ron............the NRA did not, in caps, NOT, sell out the auto weapon crowd with the attachment of Hughe's amendment to otherwise positive legislation.

The Hughes amendment was stuck in the legislative package at the very last moment by corrupt politicians trying their very best to kill what was overall a very good legislative matter.

I did a support ad for the NRA in the course of that pending legislation. I was at that time a sitting police chief and that ad appeared in Time, as I recall......I incidentally also had a transfer pending for an M16 at that very point and I was as grossly surprised as everyone else when that amendment appeared on the agenda..........the point is that the NRA did NOT put the Hughes matter up for consideration.........the anti crowd did! Hell, had I thought that the NRA sponsored or backed such a matter I damn well would NOT have lent my support or professional reputation to gain passage.........I took a LOT of heat over that support and even got editorialized against by name by the New York Times........( I kinda thought that was a matter of distinction for a small town cop!!)

Yeah, President Reagan could have (and I'm sure would have if requested) vetoed the entire bill........neither he nor the NRA had the power to remove that element, only Congress could have. Even with the Hughes amendment that bill was still more than worthwhile.....less that legislation you would not enjoy most of what today's shooters take for granted........ie interstate purchase of ammo for one.

You take a foolish path when you damn an entire organization for a singular incident you disagree with..........I stand with the NRA, warts and all, because wether or not you like it, it is truly the ONLY organization that carries weight...........I repeat my statement and question relative to GOA or JFPO.............what have they accomplished?............Like I said, take a good look at Florida and it's legislative track via the NRA. I challenge anyone to stack those results up against anything both the cited groups have floated!

Remember Bill Clinton's comment about just why the Democrats lost control of Congress in '94 and specifically who he gave credit to!!!
 
I will support Orginazations that DO Fight to win and that will take on a Fight
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Again, as many have said, you can support groups that will "take on a Fight" with words, hot air, an emailed newsletter full of accusations and angry words.

And they've accomplished ... what? They've WON which fights? They've been even tangentially mentioned in association with what victories? They have some realistic capacity to even get 5 minutes of time on the phone ... with even a minor staffer for ... which Congressmen?
 
Sam1911

HOT AIR???? NRA has Cut and Run from the Fight in california many times, that and OH So many other times I have seen them not to be Rreusted and will not see my support! HOT AIR? How about NO AIR? Thats what NRA has done for me in a few Different situations?
 
OH and DOG

It's not about 1 Issue, it's about a Toj of issues I have with the NRA FA ownership abuse as well as the Political nature of many folks thay hold up as "LEADERS"? They are very Good at Collection of $, I do Give them poits for that! When they fight the real fights and not just softballs I will consider them OH and after they Purge a Lot of the Folks that use as leaders! You all wanna support folk like that, go ahead, I won't! They have earned the contempt they posess!


RON
 
You know what Sam, I am going to bow out of this conversation. While I was out the past few hours I received notes from fellow members asking me to just ignore you and that you are notorious on this board for being a "bully".

Just because you are a moderator does make you omniscient. I would suggest you change the way you deal with people as it seems that you spearheading a lack of civility.
 
Just because you are a moderator does make you omniscient. I would suggest you change the way you deal with people as it seems that you spearheading a lack of civility.
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I do greatly apologize for giving you that impression. If you would like to answer any of the points I made, I will strive, honestly, to answer you back in the most humble and clear manner.

If I'm offending you, then I'm not representing myself well, at all. I cannot offend you into agreeing with me. I would love to continue to discuss the issue at hand if you are willing. Please show me where I've misunderstood you or misrepresented you -- or where I've insulted you. I will try to make it right.

I can't see how to apologize to you for any slight more completely. If you want me to do so via PM, I'll be happy to.
 
GOA badmouths the NRA and writes half truths and flat out lies about them for one simple reason, they know many folks will only join one organization and they want your money. Without your membership money they will fade away. They don't have the industry backing the NRA does because they don't accomplish anything in Washington.

Do you really believe that if a time came that our 2A rights became completely unassailable that the NRA would just close shop and go home? That is why since it's inception is has altered and expanded it's focus and core mission.
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Of course it wouldn't but I bet it would turn back to it's origins in promoting the shooting sports, just as it still does today.
 
Ron, I accept that you are angry with NRA, for your own reasons. I didn't really speak directly to that, but more to the point that you "... will support Orginazations that DO Fight to win and that will take on a Fight."

Who is fighting and winning, besides the NRA? Who is it that you are supporting who is accomplishing something? Maybe it's state and local organizations that can get things done in your area? Or do you feel that there are other national players who have a measurable impact on RKBA?
 
Who is fighting and winning, besides the NRA?
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No one seems to have answered that no matter how many times it has been asked in this thread.

I don't agree 100% with the politicians I vote for. Yet I still vote as opposed to stepping back and not voting.

As others have said, the NRA gets results. Point me somewhere else that gets results (nationally and locally) and I'll break out the checkbook.

It would be impossible to have anorganization the size of the NRA in which all members saw eye to eye. It is impossible for the NRA to fight each battle that each member individually sees as important. They would be spread so thin that they wouldn't have the collective manpower to work toward a coherent purpose. Fight some battles and you'll win some and lose some. Fight them all and you will lose them all.
 
I see nothing in the content of Sam's posts that is in violation of THR's code of conduct.

What I do see is a man who is passionately arguing in favor of the NRA and doing his level best to point out why he thinks that joining the NRA is in the best interest of the RKBA.

I guess some people mistake passionate speech for incivility, which is really kind of sad.

If I missed something and Sam has made posts that are in violation of THR's code of conduct, perhaps those who feel aggreived would care to quote Sam's posts that are in violation of the code of conduct, along with a relevant citation to that code.

Doing so should only take a very few minutes to accomplish, and should definitively demonstrate if Sam is indeed being uncivil.

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Justin you asked so here is my answer. YMMV

And it carries just as much weight, IMHO, as such absurd, but often quoted, accusations people seem to like to make about firearms dealers -- who obviously DESIRE gun and magazine bans because they make sooo much money when things become scarce, and NFA firearms enthusiasts -- who LOVE the Hughes Amendment because it makes their collections so valuable.

Wholesale slanders of groups or organizations which have no merit but make the speaker seem "in the know."

Yes, the NRA keeps the status quo so that they don't put themselves out of work. And the US keeps AlQueda going so we have excuses to grab power. Heck, God keeps Satan around so the folks stay in the pews, you know? "I ain't sayin' it's TRUE... but it sure is a convenient situation for him, don'tcha think?"
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Calling another members opinion absurd would not be tolerated if he was not a mod. The concept that organizations like the NRA can lose sight of their mission is valid. It has happened to more than one powerful organization and it will happen to others. The OP asked to be convienced to rejoin. Sam1911 is entitled to his opinion that he should. He should work harder to convince the OP to do so instead he spends most of his time attacking other members. One's thoughts on the effectiveness and validity of the NRA is by definition and opinion. Why does Sam1911 feel the need to berate those who hold a different view point. Calling other members thought out and reasonable opinion absurd is not THR.

He then goes on to use racially offensive and then religiously offensive strawman arguments to try to prove the validity of his opinion. He treats this discussion of opinion as if there is a tight and a wrong opinion. This has nothing to do with Al Queda it has nothing to do with God.

He SCREAMS at other members.

Do you have ANY evidence -- even circumstantial, suspect evidence, that this is the case?
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I do not need justify my opinion to him. When another member gave him a perfect example of the NRAs hypocrisy which I remember and agree with.

I once enjoyed watching a debate held in England that Wayne LaPierre completely embarrassed a few anti-gun advocates with facts. One of the points he made is that regardless if there ever is a U.N ban on small arms, our constitution trumps any UN agreement.

What was funny was that the NRA used that same weapons ban as a scare tactic to drum up donations. This is the kind of stuff I can't stand and lends credence to a train of thought that they can be self serving.
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He ignores this and goes back to attacking people not their positions or arguments. Things like this illustrate he is not really seeking a discussion he is looking for a fight.

No, IF THAT TIME EVER COMES I'll be the first to kick NRA to the curb and tell them "Thanks for the help, now beat it!" (Uh... or something.)
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Oh for PETE's sake! You don't even get the excuse that this hasn't been posted yet TODAY!
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That little smiley face at the end of the post does not change his tone. The fact he edited the post to include them IMHO shows his condescension for the opposing few. Screaming at other members is not THR. Look at the tone of the posts. You can agree with his sentiments and call him passionate but that is not the way I read it.

Look at every single post he mixes attacking the person with attacking the position. This is expressly addressed in "the rules" Sorry but he is a moderator. Those who moderate here where the owners and the purpose of the board is to create a higher standard come off as hypocritical when they allow a mod to behave in this manner.

PS I am a member of the NRA but I refuse all mailings and do not take a magazine.
 
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Rellascout, I'd prefer to have this conversation in Private Message, if you care to, but I will make a couple of point in the thread, so that others may see how I answer.
Calling another members opinion absurd would not be tolerated if he was not a mod.
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We always tell members that they should attack the argument, but not the argu-er. It is not a dishonor to you that I say I don't find an argument you've made (or someone else has made) credible. If I was to insult you or try to make you seem inferior, THAT would be unacceptable here.

Refuting your assertion that the NRA does unethical or deceptive things in order to prolong the fight and keep themselves relevant does not cross that line.

If my tone appears to cross that line, then I affirm with all my heart that I meant no insult of offense of any sort. It is VERY hard to say something pointed, but with a grin, as I would to a close friend over a beer, on an internet forum. I will strive to be more careful. I won't concede points of logic, beliefs, or observations of my own out of a misguided attempt to avoid bruising feelings, but I will try hard not to say things in a manner that might offend.

Please accept my hand of friendship and let's move on.
 
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Sam1911


I have seen the NRA cut and Run on Issue in calif, I have seen the halfA-- Responces on major Gun Issues, so pardon my not Buying they FIGHT FOR ME SPEACH! The NRA is just a Paid Lobby Firm with your $! Nothing more and a lot less! Sure the fights they abando are fall less important that what they win? That the sort of folks YOU SUPPORT, NOT ME, NEVER AGAIN! Your free of course t do what you like,m but your not convincing me any!

RON
 
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That little smiley face at the end of the post does not change his tone.
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It absolutely does. In face to face communication, roughly 60% of the meaning is derived from the speaker's body language and tone, and 40% actually comes from the words themselves. It's extremely tough to accurately convey emotion with words alone. Smilies are the closest we have to body language in the internet world.

I think internet forums offer a way to get information and share ideas way beyond what we had before the internet. I've been an administrator for two different forums over the past several years, so I have a very good sense for what constitutes an internet tough guy. I agree with Justin that Sam is passionate. But I've never seen him write anything that I don't think your average guy would say directly to someone's face. Nor have I seen him write anything that I thought was an abuse of power.

Obviously this is just my opinion, but as I said, I have enough experience with BBs to have seen some truly unbelievable things. Including a guy who got so upset on a forum that he managed to track down a guy and get him fired from his job. I don't agree with a lot of people on this board, but I haven't found a single one that I wouldn't sit around and drink a beer with. Especially if they're buying. :D <-- smiley intended.

I really think you're being incredibly over-sensitive.
 
Sam1911


I have seen the NRA cut and Run on Issue in calif, I have seen the halfA-- Responces on major Gun Issues, so pardon my not Buying they FIGHT FOR ME SPEACH! The NRA is just a Paid Lobby Firm with your $! Nothing more and a lot less! Sure the fights they abando are fall less important that what they win? That the sort of folks YOU SUPPORT, NOT ME, NEVER AGAIN! Your free of course t do what you like,m but your not convincing me any!

RON
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Ron,

Yes... I got that. You've said it a couple of times.

I asked you a different question:

You've said that you "... will support Orginazations that DO Fight to win and that will take on a Fight."

Who is fighting and winning, besides the NRA? Who is it that you are supporting who is accomplishing something? Maybe it's state and local organizations that can get things done in your area? Or do you feel that there are other national players who have a measurable impact on RKBA?

Can you answer that question? That's the one I'm interested in.
 
Look at the gun rights of people in countries without an effective gun lobby like the NRA.

What you notice is they have no gun rights!. :what:

In this country power comes through the ballot box. Politicians are totally afraid of organized groups as they will tip an election. You don’t effectively organize, you will loose your gun rights.

I belong to the NRA, and will until I take my dirt nap.
 
I remember President Bush was a life member and then resigned from NRA because he felt they were pretty far out, doing their job...

I am a life member also...has been mentioned about all the good they do as NRA...

NRA-ILA, I do not belong to it...Probably should...Many arguements going on with mods :what:

Hmmm

Regards
 
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