CZ 75 vs Beretta 92

[Yelovitz_503]

I see what you mean, but I just don't feel comfortable potentially betting my life that the hammer isn't going to drop with a live round in the chamber. It just doesn't seem worth it. Like I said, if my life depended on a quick draw, then I'm probably a goner anyways. I figure that most people don't even have a gun, let alone carry one every day. So I'm already a few steps ahead of most people without having it cocked and locked. I mean really, how many civilians have actually had their lives saved by having a gun cocked a locked?

More than you can imagine. I would also argue that saying "you're a goner anyways" is the kind of thought process which makes that more likely. It's a fight for your life, how bad do you want it?

I'll leave it at that, I realize we're getting off topic here so I'll bring it back: CZ!!!

 

[highlander 5]

I own both and side with the 75b. I shoot it better than the 92fs. Both have been very reliable with both factory ammo and reloads. I have 22 conversion kits for both and the 92 worked out of the box but I had to return the CZ for adjustments to get it to work. IIRC Jeff Cooper thought very highly of the CZ 75 pistol using it as a platform for the Bren 10 semi autos.

 

[wow6599]

I had a 92FS once.......
I have a SS 75B......

Every time I let people shoot it at the range, they go looking for one. I have never owned a firearm that people gravitate towards like my 75. it's in my top 10 list.

The 92? I could take it or leave it. I sold mine to a guy at work for $500, and I don't miss it a bit.

 

[chicharrones]

I'll add to the pile.

I owned a 92FS for 5 or so years. I sold it to fund a CZ75D PCR. For me, the CZ is a better gun.

 

[jeff-10]

Ive owned two CZ-75Bs and a CZ-75 Compact. No guns fit my hands better however none were reliable. The Compact was so bad it was ridiculous. I sold them and bought a Beretta Model 92 Compact. It fits my hand great and it is flawless. Its also a beautiful gun.

 

[Satasaurus]

Unfortunately it looks like it's going to be a while if I decide to get the CZ 75 because of all the craziness right now. The Berettas seem to be around, but the CZ 75s are gone everywhere I look. I thought about getting one a few months ago but I hated dropping the money and decided to wait. Bad idea. Hopefully the Beretta fits my hand and I'll just get one of those.

 

[needmorecowbell]

I'd say it's easy to see the preferred one is the CZ.

 

[Kabal]

I own a CZ 75 SP-01, and I've shot both the CZ 75B and the Beretta M9 a couple of times.

I haven't had enough trigger time on the Beretta to comment on its accuracy or reliabilty, but in terms of ergonomics, I prefer the CZs.

In terms of durability, I suspect that the CZs' steel frame is superior to the Beretta's aluminum frame.

Plus, CZs are very popular among both precision and IPSC shooters here in Germany, whereas I don't know anyone who has a Beretta.

My vote goes to the CZ 75, preferably the CZ75 SP-01.

 

[YZ]

Plus, CZs are very popular among both precision and IPSC shooters here in Germany, whereas I don't know anyone who has a Beretta.

That hardly detracts from the M9 as a sidearm or CCW. Competition shooters are specifically catered for by CZ. Target 90-series Berettas are rare.

 

[Satasaurus]

I'd say it's easy to see the preferred one is the CZ.

It's looking that way, but like I said a few posts back, I think that has a lot to do with grip size. I'm pretty sure I held a Beretta 92 at a gun show a few years ago and it felt big in my hands, but I really want to hold them both and know once and for all.

Does anybody know if the CZ 75s have had any well documented problems? I've heard some stuff about the Berettas cracking and slides falling off, but I don't recall anything like that with the CZ 75s. Also, is the all steel construction of the CZ way better then the 92?

 

[Gunnerboy]

I own a surplus israili cz75 (not B) its probably had 2k thru it since ive owned it and ive only had 3 malfunctions. The accuracy is amazing for having been to israel and who knows where else.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

Just holding one and looking at it, the Beretta seems a LOT larger than the CZ-75. But... they both in the same holster (even one molded in plastic)... In fact, when the CZ-75B first hit the US, Fobus sold their Beretta 92 holster as their CZ holster; they later relabeled it, but I couldn't see any real differences.

I think the differences are more apparent than real.

I've had all of these guns, including several variants of the basic models -- but never really took a "like" to the Beretta 92 or 96. Others love'm -- so I suspect it's a personal thing.

 

[Satasaurus]

Just holding one and looking at it, the Beretta seems a LOT larger than the CZ-75. But... they both in the same holster (even one molded in plastic)... In fact, when the CZ-75B first hit the US, Fobus sold their Beretta 92 holster as their CZ holster; they later relabeled it, but I couldn't see any real differences.

I think the differences are more apparent than real.

I've had all of these guns, including several variants of the basic models -- but never really took a "like" to the Beretta 92 or 96. Others love'm -- so I suspect it's a personal thing.

That's funny. I was just looking up the specs of both and comparing and they are really, really close in size and weight.

 

[wow6599]

Does anybody know if the CZ 75s have had any well documented problems?

I have read that their slide stop breaks with more frequency than other guns. But who knows, since I read it on the internet......

 

[Beentown]

The talk of carrying "Israelis" style is dumbfounding to me. Why would you carry if you are not comfortable with one in the chamber?

Also I can see where someone with small hands would not like a 92 as much as a CZ75. Grip and trigger distance are smaller on the 75.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Both fine weapons that I would not feel undergunned with. I have a question for you all. The CZ feels great, but for some reason, even as bulky as the 92 feels in the hand, it points for me like pointing my finger. I did not grow up on the Beretta; served 1971-1977 as an MP and carried the 1911A1 later, for awhile, as a cop. But I picked up a Beretta, and it was easy as point and shoot. Has anyone else experienced this when handling and firing a Beretta 92 series? It is also very comfortable to shoot. Maybe that fat grip distributes the recoil well, although the CZ is no slouch in that department, either. Also, a very comfortable gun in 9mm.

 

[viking499]

It's looking that way, but like I said a few posts back, I think that has a lot to do with grip size. I'm pretty sure I held a Beretta 92 at a gun show a few years ago and it felt big in my hands, but I really want to hold them both and know once and for all.

If the Beretta felt big, the CZ will feel better. Or maybe it's just that it fits better......

 

[Beentown]

Both fine weapons that I would not feel undergunned with. I have a question for you all. The CZ feels great, but for some reason, even as bulky as the 92 feels in the hand, it points for me like pointing my finger. I did not grow up on the Beretta; served 1971-1977 as an MP and carried the 1911A1 later, for awhile, as a cop. But I picked up a Beretta, and it was easy as point and shoot. Has anyone else experienced this when handling and firing a Beretta 92 series? It is also very comfortable to shoot. Maybe that fat grip distributes the recoil well, although the CZ is no slouch in that department, either. Also, a very comfortable gun in 9mm.

Yes, I had found the same. 92's are pussycats too shoot and are natural pointers for me.

 

[YZ]

SharpDressed:
It's probably the intangibles. As such they defy rational argument. Could be the minute differences in the grip angle, thickness, and texture. Could be the trigger reach (if your fingers are shorter, like mine, you will be reminded by either one), and then the trigger curvature. The DA pull is heavy in both. Frankly they have a lot more in common than some people pretend for the sake of an argument. Then there is the shape of your hand, the knuckles, the fat pads, the joint mobility. All adds up. That's why debating which gun "points better" is complete waste of time. Only you can decide that.

Both are fine pistols. I for one owned both and chose to keep neither because there were others to choose from, God bless this country.

 

[chicharrones]

EDIT: Another thing to consider is the magazine capacity. Standard Beretta magazines hold 15 rounds, standard magazines for the CZ hold 16. I know the saying "if you haven't hit them in 15 shots, you won't hit them with one more" but I'd rather have that extra shot available if my life is riding on the outcome.

Beretta offers 17 round mags now. Plus, in my long gone 92FS, I could stuff 16 in the 15 round mags with room to spare and it functioned fine.

Yet, that didn't keep me from getting a compact framed CZ with just the 14 round mags.

 

[TestPilot]

Yeah, I'm a civilian, and personally I would never carry a gun cocked and locked unless I'm walking around Harlem with a pound of gold on. I figure that if I'm in that bad of a situation where I have 1 second to fire a bullet, I'm probably a goner anyways. I carry with safety on and nothing in the chamber, and rack the slide if I think I might be walking into a bad situation. As much as I love Glocks, I would NEVER carry one with a bullet in the chamber. Even with a manual safety on I don't want a bullet in the chamber ...

Is there a universal agreement between all criminals out there that if you are a civilian out side of Harlem they would give you time to draw and rack the slide that I somehow missed?

Seconds will matter when you are drawing and firing in defense after you have saw a threat. Whether if you are a civilian or military, in or out of Harlem, it is irrelevant.

For most people who knows how to use a gun for personal security, carrying pistols such as Glock with a round chambered is the sound way.

http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-si...ights-monday-blog-why-you-carry-a-loaded-gun/

If you are carrying a gun with no expectation of drawing and firing in a matter of seconds, when exactly do you expect for that gun to be useful? When a villain in a tuxedo walks up to you and throw a glove at you?

It does not matter if you are one step ahead of others or 1000 steps ahead of others who are ill prepared. You being one step behind the attacker is all it takes for you to die. Failing grade is a failing grade, and it does not matter if you are ahead of millions of others who failed a course more miserably.

"I'm a civilian, so I don't need to..." is one of the worst info perpetuated on the internet. Does anyone think some criminals who wants to kill or main you go "Oh, wait homes. He's just a civilian. Let's give him a warning and wait till he draws. He's just one, so back off homes. I'll go one on one to be fair."

I am not saying a CZ should be carried cocked and locked.

 

[Satasaurus]

Is there a universal agreement between all criminals out there that if you are a civilian out side of Harlem they would give you time to draw and rack the slide that I somehow missed?

Seconds will matter when you are drawing and firing in defense after you have saw a threat. Whether if you are a civilian or military, in or out of Harlem, it is irrelevant.

For most people who knows how to use a gun for personal security, carrying pistols such as Glock with a round chambered is the sound way.

http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-si...ights-monday-blog-why-you-carry-a-loaded-gun/

If you are carrying a gun with no expectation of drawing and firing in a matter of seconds, when exactly do you expect for that gun to be useful? When a villain in a tuxedo walks up to you and throw a glove at you?

It does not matter if you are one step ahead of others or 1000 steps ahead of others who are ill prepared. You being one step behind the attacker is all it takes for you to die. Failing grade is a failing grade, and it does not matter if you are ahead of millions of others who failed a course more miserably.

"I'm a civilian, so I don't need to..." is one of the worst info perpetuated on the internet. Does anyone think some criminals who wants to kill or main you go "Oh, wait homes. He's just a civilian. Let's give him a warning and wait till he draws. He's just one, so back off homes. I'll go one on one to be fair."

I am not saying a CZ should be carried cocked and locked.

Where to start ...

I was just trying to point out that some situations are more dangerous then others and you should be able to identify when those situations are. The Harlem thing was just an extreme example, but I would expect to get attacked in that situation, so I would have it cocked and locked. Since I am a civilian and I avoid those people like the plague, I don't plan on needing a cocked and locked gun 24/7. In my car, I can just speed away or use the car as a much better weapon. At home I have a shotgun, so pistols are irrelevant. When I go to the grocery store I doubt I'll be getting jumped at the dairy products. I think you see my point. If I was a cop, I would carry cocked and locked because they get paid to deal with people that I want to be no where near, but as a civilian I highly doubt that it's worth the possible safety risk. To each their own. That's how I feel and no amount of posts on a forum is going to change my mind. Safety or not I'm not having a pistol pointing at my fellas with a bullet in the chamber. I still challenge anyone to find someone on here that's had their life saved by carrying cocked and locked. Maybe then I'll feel differently. I appreciate everyone's concern for my safety though.

 

[Pilot]

To the OP. From how you speak, I think some good training is in order. Not just on shooting, on all legal, and judgmental aspects of carrying a gun and when to use it, and the justifications and ramifications of doing so.

I am not trying to slam you, and I would give that advice to any person that owns a gun for self defense.

 

[dgod]

I have both, have had for 20 plus years. If anyone has a CZ75, and wants to trade gun for gun, I have a 92F. I MUCH prefer the CZ75.

Just my Opinion...

 

[5-SHOTS]

For me the CZ is easier to shoot and has generally a better accuracy out of the box. Ergonomics are better on the CZ. The Beretta however is more refined, has a nicer finish expecially inside and has an edge in reliability. I don't like the decocker on the Beretta while I'd love the one of the CZ 75BD.
I voted CZ.