Foxnews Alert: Gunman on VA Tech campus

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Then close the thread and squelch the debate, Derek!!!!!! Factors contributing to incidents like that which occurred at VA Tech are legitimate points of discussion. If someone thinks abortion is a contributing factor then let them raise the issue and discuss it!
 
wow he used a walther P2 with magazine cap of ten rounds and a glock 9mm.

again is it me but doesnt the body count seem high for the guns?

It just seems to me that the students could have been more pro-active......who knows.
I think this is what happens when we dont teach the young to be self-reliant and armed.
 
Who brings their gun's receipt to a crime scene?

That's a very weird detail...let me get my tinfoil hat on so I can properly concentrate on the implications of someone filing the serial numbers off their guns yet remembering to bring the receipt.
 
Ok, sorry, i just seen a link to the media talking about the death culture. i will lay off.
 
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My whole point in the past several posts is to point out the obvious; were there a good guy, with a CCW, in the right place at the right time, we'd never had heard about this.

Agreed. Just this past weekend, in Manchester New Hampshire, a skell was kicked out of a bar, retrieved a handgun and shot at the bouncer. He missed, but was then shot by a private citizen with a CCW. The owner credited the citizen with saving the bouncer's, and possibly others', lives.

The article was tiny, buried in the paper, as usual. If the skell had killed a bunch of people, however, it would have made headline/national news and drawn the attention of the Brady crowd.

Defensive uses of handguns are seriously underreported.
 
As I see it, we are all trying to make sense of a senseless crime. As someone stated yesterday, and it makes sense, we have trouble accepting that some people are just bad. No rhymn, no reason...just bad. It seems to fit here.

Edit to add: If the person had the state of mind too be able to compose a letter regarding the shooting, then he did so with malious contemplation. Who knows the why he filed the numbers, or didn't discard the receipt...the focus is he was evil per his evil deed.

The news also recently reported that he had some legal run-in (of some unknown nature) back on about April 07.
 
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again is it me but doesnt the body count seem high for the guns?

Its not just you. The number of dead seems VERY HIGH for a single person
with those two firearms. It doesn't seem right.

What really gets me is :

1. Allegedly had the gun receipts on his person the whole time
2. The serial numbers of the guns had been filed down

These two factoids are in conflict with each other. I smell BS.
 
It's all about conditioning folks...

Betcha the students didn't even THINK of rushing him. When this sorta crap happened in the past, it was usually a footballer or someone like that who goes after the nutjob. I'm guessing that none of those folks was in the rooms. Instead, it was a bunch of students who'd been conditioned over the last ten years to "sit and hide and hope the killer chooses someone else."

I mean, this guy's shooting, and the people across/down the hall are just sitting there? COME ON?

I'll bet he went in shooting and screaming, herded them to one side of a room, and everyone thought that five yards was too darn far to run to go after him. From there, all he had to do was fire and reload.
 
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Apparently the survivors from the German class said he just walked in and
started shooting. Didn't say much, if anything, according to them.
 
Universities are already a pressure cooker for the students- even as a gun owner I do not want them to be on campus- I work at a university with almost 50K students, and with all the drinking, drugs, relationships, studies and the experience of being out on your own for the first time, the last thing needed are guns on people. Could a CCW on scene help in this situation? maybe, but chances are the shooting would have still happened, and then you may have a crossfire situation.

this is a freak accident, don't think it will become routine, but the last thing I would want is any academic inst. to become anything less then a totally free and open community.

Thoughts to the families who have lost...

Yeah OK :rolleyes:
 
It's all about conditioning folks...

Betcha the students didn't even THINK of rushing him. When this sorta crap happened in the past, it was usually a footballer or someone like that who goes after the nutjob. I'm guessing that none of those folks was in the rooms. Instead, it was a bunch of students who'd been conditioned over the last ten years to "sit and hide and hope the killer chooses someone else."

you are on to it.

What the hell happened to rifle class on campus' What happened to the will and 'fire in the belly'?

I also think the pictures of the swat teams (enough to invade Canada) is pathetic.......What you will hear is a call FOR MORE security and more money in the budgets of schools across the country.........
If it didnt work yesterday....how will more after the fact response help???????

all when the answer is us...........just common americans, law abiding citizens going about there day.....armed for self protection.

Just one CC holder in that room.....hell what if there where 5 armed citizens?


It so sad no one sees this point. (except the good people here of course)
now we have de-conditioned young people that have this sheep response to evil. (how the hell did he shoot all of them with out a fight?) They have little knowledge of firearms, self protection and that fire in the belly to think under real pressure. American Universities want pasivist socialist ........well congrats...you got them.
 
My first thought upon seeing the firearms used by the shooter was that he was probably inexperienced given that he chose weapons with large capacity and very little recoil.

My second thought was how the %$## did he manage to shoot that many people without someone fighting back or charging him? All it would have taken was two people to throw stuff to distract him (he'd have been hard pressed to suppress that "duck!!" instinct) while three or more rushed in and tackled the perp. They could have beaten him senseless.

It reminds me of the World Trade Center attacks, wherein a handful of men frightened more than five times thier number into submission with box cutters. Thousands of people died because no one wanted to risk a superficial wound. As another poster has already remarked, too many Americans seem to have had thier survival instincts circumvented - or worse yet, shut off completely. :banghead:
 
This is indeed a tragic situation and one that would have not been so bad if conceal carry was allowed on campus or even through-out the USA. The shooter would have been stopped prior to this high death toll occurred. Prayers to the effected families...:(

But one question that I'm not quite sure I understand. The shooter, Cho-Seung-Hui (Joe Song Lee) a resident alien, how was he able to legally able to own a gun in the USA, not being a citizen? I know that non-citizen can own, but I'm thinking that this is a right for US Citizens, not non-citizens. If he bought them or obtained them illegally, then this is a mute point.

This just goes to show that the shooter did not obey the campus law, he carried a gun on campus and used it. The School does not allow conceal carry on campus, even though the state allows conceal carry. Those that obeyed the law, could not of stopped Cho-Seung-Hui.
 
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Dr. Who,

Answer your question immigriants with a green card, are leagly able purchase firearms. I believe he has lived in this country for several years.
 
slow down heros

all of you who talk about rushing the guy, think about this for a second. you dont know whats going on. somebody just walked into the room and shot the prof. reports said he wasnt speaking, so you dont have a clue about his mindset. i havnt heard the size of the classrooms, but he could have been 50-100 feet away, or 5. you're also wearing a t-shirt, jeans, and have a pencil as your only weapon. you dont even think about the possibility of using it as he starts killing the people around you. you're 20 years old, you arnt too interested in dieing today. if you had already heard shots, you knew he only fired so many rounds before moving on. maybe he's only there to kill certain people, you dont know him, why would he kill you? is it really that easy to rush someone knowing that he will kill you and you might injure or kill him. i've been thinking about it a lot in the past 24 hours and i'm pretty sure it'd be hard to find the opportunity to rush someone. Plus, not many of us are footballer builds over in the engineering halls. and yes, a lot of them dont know much about firearms, and would just be afraid without thinking about possibilities. (a surprisingly large number do actually have experience with firearms, but not always enough to get rid of legends and rumors portrayed by the media)

people jumped out of windows. how many options do you have to explore before that seems like the best one? you can talk all you want as you sit there in your office with your trusty side arm right next to you wishing you could have been there and been a hero, but you arnt about to walk to class and stare at the door wondering "what if." if it happened here, i'm unarmed, and i'd probably just be a number somewhere on your tv screen. I might rush him, but who's going to follow me when they see me fall dead before i reach him. and then some killer would move on.

just think a little before you preach about what you'd do.
 
This just in

The police are saying that the note they found talks about: debauchery on campus, sinful charlitans he was treated badly by women and hates rich kids and signed Ishmail X

Bush to speak at 2:00pm est cross your fingers
 
Speaking from a far less dangerous personal experience, I'd think it is not easy for an untrained person to respond to a sudden attack quickly enough, let alone in a tactically correct manner.

Back in college in a different country, I witnessed a classroom frat attack. There were about 30 of us, mostly male, working on our final exam when 3 frat boys rushed in and started attacking one of our classmates with batons and nunchatku. The classmate defended himself with the stool he was sitting on, and fortunately suffered only minor injuries. However, no one else in the room gathered our senses quickly enough to rush the attackers during the 30 seconds or so when it happened.
 
My wife has been talking to all of her co-workers around the water cooler all morning and the only thing she has heard repeatedly is that "this just proves that all guns need to be banned, no one should have guns" :banghead:
 
My wife has been talking to all of her co-workers around the water cooler all morning and the only thing she has heard repeatedly is that "this just proves that all guns need to be banned, no one should have guns"

I hope she at least voiced her opinion on the matter.

I had the same thing happen this morning in my office. Two guys I work with started talking about "how did the guy get the guns?" and other nonsense about gun control.

You bet your behind I gave my $.02.
 
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