Snowy Rivers
Member
Yesterday afternoon I had a CCW class with several people.
We are in the classroom and getting right into the meat and potatoes of things, when one student asks about "Preemptive action" ????????
I take a deep breath all knowing what was to follow. (At least the concept)
Seems he had been assaulted some time ago by a bunch of local bangers from the other side of town (Even small towns have them it seems now)
OK, the "Student" it seems had been roughed up pretty good and his wallet stripped of its cash and the windshield of his car mashed, (Just to make a statement)
The time was about 5pm and very subdued light. The fellow saw the apartment they came from but in the dim light could not see most of the faces.
He was not carrying (reason to come take the class and fix that situation)
Further discussion went right where I figured he would take it.
He is of the mindset that he can just lay in waiting and when the pukes come out some dark night, that he can exact revenge and just have a field day, and scare the heck out of these clowns.
I spent the next 30 minutes explaining to the entire group that the sort of stuff that had been brought to the table here was called "Vigilanteism" and was a quick trip to the Gray Bar Hilton.
I fully understand that none of us wants to get beat up, robbed and our car damaged by the likes of this sort of dispicable element.
We can't exact revenge or take action after the fight is over.
This conversation is a double edged sword for an instructor to deal with.
It must be dealt with, as the group as a whole may well quickly adopt the idea that all pukes are fair targets.
None of us wants to get in a gunfight, and for those of you who as professionals have been there, I need not mention it.
I have been to the Brink twice, and luckily the gun coming out stopped the incident.
After spending the extra time on the subject of "Hunting Gang Bangers" being a NO NO I finished the class with no other supprises.
After class I held the one student (had the runin with the gangers) and placed a call to the local Pds Gang officer and had him stop by the shop.
The officer sat and spoke in private to the fellow who had the issues and they planned some strategy.
I do believe that a sting is going to be set up and the Bangers will likely get busted.
Unfortunately these sort of dispicable types will come back and sooner or later we all may face some of them.
I did not write this post to enlighten the old hands, but possibly it will point out something to some newbies to the world of CCW.
To anyone here that does training for CCW, please do take the time to include sceanarios like this in your lecture time.
I am seeing a growing trend, of people fed up with Gang Bangers that are ready to gather up a group of "Buddies", head off to gang town and basically start a war.
OMG, even though we have the right to protect ourselves, society and the law are not going to ever permit the sort of actions that some folks think that they can do.
Equal protection under the law is just that.
We see a lot of interesting discussions come up during class sessions, but this is the first time that we got this deep in to the subject of Gang Bangers.
If anyone would like to add to this, I think we can make something very good here that can be useful to a lot of people.
Just some thoughts.
Snowy
We are in the classroom and getting right into the meat and potatoes of things, when one student asks about "Preemptive action" ????????
I take a deep breath all knowing what was to follow. (At least the concept)
Seems he had been assaulted some time ago by a bunch of local bangers from the other side of town (Even small towns have them it seems now)
OK, the "Student" it seems had been roughed up pretty good and his wallet stripped of its cash and the windshield of his car mashed, (Just to make a statement)
The time was about 5pm and very subdued light. The fellow saw the apartment they came from but in the dim light could not see most of the faces.
He was not carrying (reason to come take the class and fix that situation)
Further discussion went right where I figured he would take it.
He is of the mindset that he can just lay in waiting and when the pukes come out some dark night, that he can exact revenge and just have a field day, and scare the heck out of these clowns.
I spent the next 30 minutes explaining to the entire group that the sort of stuff that had been brought to the table here was called "Vigilanteism" and was a quick trip to the Gray Bar Hilton.
I fully understand that none of us wants to get beat up, robbed and our car damaged by the likes of this sort of dispicable element.
We can't exact revenge or take action after the fight is over.
This conversation is a double edged sword for an instructor to deal with.
It must be dealt with, as the group as a whole may well quickly adopt the idea that all pukes are fair targets.
None of us wants to get in a gunfight, and for those of you who as professionals have been there, I need not mention it.
I have been to the Brink twice, and luckily the gun coming out stopped the incident.
After spending the extra time on the subject of "Hunting Gang Bangers" being a NO NO I finished the class with no other supprises.
After class I held the one student (had the runin with the gangers) and placed a call to the local Pds Gang officer and had him stop by the shop.
The officer sat and spoke in private to the fellow who had the issues and they planned some strategy.
I do believe that a sting is going to be set up and the Bangers will likely get busted.
Unfortunately these sort of dispicable types will come back and sooner or later we all may face some of them.
I did not write this post to enlighten the old hands, but possibly it will point out something to some newbies to the world of CCW.
To anyone here that does training for CCW, please do take the time to include sceanarios like this in your lecture time.
I am seeing a growing trend, of people fed up with Gang Bangers that are ready to gather up a group of "Buddies", head off to gang town and basically start a war.
OMG, even though we have the right to protect ourselves, society and the law are not going to ever permit the sort of actions that some folks think that they can do.
Equal protection under the law is just that.
We see a lot of interesting discussions come up during class sessions, but this is the first time that we got this deep in to the subject of Gang Bangers.
If anyone would like to add to this, I think we can make something very good here that can be useful to a lot of people.
Just some thoughts.
Snowy