"Got .22 Long Rifle Ammo ?"

[Duckdog]

We're both making assumptions! You're assuming they do not have the space and I am assuming they do, as when machines are upgraded, much of the time they take much less space due to newer technology. In this economy, there may also be vacant buildings that may work if they do not have the capacity.

In any case, IMHO, I think there will be an increased demand because of the increased gun sales. But again, it's all an assumption.

 

[Warp]

Take no offense, but if you think the way to control demand is to raise prices and make more money for the short while you can or until people stop buying, you are entitled to that opinion. You will control demand, as well as the supply in the end. The other way to look at it, is to keep the prices relatively static and increase production, wherein you keep customers buying your product for hopefully, the long term. This not only retains and builds customer base, but also increases profit. This is sound economics.

No one was having a "tissy fit",but rather speaking the truth when calling someone a gouger. Would it be better if they were referred to as extreme capitalists? No problem. And, it is correct that the politicians caused this, but they are only part of the problem in propagating it further.

If someone wants to sell their property for whatever price they wish, have at it. I, for one, will not buy from them if they are charging more than I feel is fair.

You make it sound like they can just snap their fingers and have increased capacity.

And as though the current demand will continue for years and years while they amortize the cost of that expansion.

These huge very successful and experienced companies are not stupid. If they could so easily increase production, keep prices the same, and make more money while making everybody happy...they would.

 

[mboylan]

Remington is spending 32 million dollars on a new facility. It will be online in about a year.

 

[Duckdog]

Let's hope they put an extra 22LR line in! They must be really going all-out. Nice to see. Let's also hope there's a few new jobs created in the process besides the trades, (which are also a godsend in some areas).

Did they say why they were expanding? Increased capacity, streamlining processes, or both???

Thanks for the info! There's a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[heavydluxe]

1) From a business perspective, I have no issue with prices rising in a shortage... If you have a stockpile you want to sell at a substantial markup, good for you.

2) While wanting to be careful not to villify or name-call, I *do* think some people are taking the profiteering thing a little far... It's a moral/ethical issue, IMO. Just because you can sell stuff at ridiculous prices and make a obscene profit, I don't think it follows that you _should_.

3) I totally get why manufacturing companies wouldn't want to tool-up to increase production to meet a temporary surge in demand.

4) Still, something in the numbers doesn't seem to add up. I can't believe, based on current production numbers, why I'm being told I can't expect to see .22lr in any quantity from major resellers until near the end of the year. And, I know local shops who swear they haven't seen *any* since mere weeks after Sandy Hook. It seems like there is a problem in the supply chain, not just on the consumer-consumption side.

 

[stargeezer]

I was getting a bit low last fall and spent a couple hours over three days going to every LGS in my area and buying what I could. This was what I got that three days and the next week I did it again. Passed a lot to pals who work during the week and some buddies who are there anytime you need them.

 

[mboylan]

We're both making assumptions! You're assuming they do not have the space and I am assuming they do, as when machines are upgraded, much of the time they take much less space due to newer technology. In this economy, there may also be vacant buildings that may work if they do not have the capacity.

In any case, IMHO, I think there will be an increased demand because of the increased gun sales. But again, it's all an assumption.

I have absolutely no info other than the announcement. My guess is that ATK and Olin are out producing them and they want more market share. I don't care for their LR offerings. I really like their WMR and HMR.

 

[Racinfan83]

The whole thing to me - is ridiculous..
BUT - that said - I know what the problem is, and I would very much like to get my piece of the pie. NOT as a gouger who buys low and sells high - but just as a guy who has spent umpteen hours and who knows how much gas LOOKING for a couple friggin bricks of the stuff! I mean REALLY people - is it too much to ask to get a couple thousand rounds on the shelf ONCE for me to buy?
Of course with that said - I guess IF I do ever get lucky and see some of those 525 rd boxes for like $23.99 (which is supposedly the going rate at Wally World or Cabelas) I would figure out how to buy, hide, go back multiple times, send my wife, kid, co-workers, maybe even a couple of my cats in there to get the "limit".
Right THERE is the problem - I'm thinkin.......

I post somewhat satirically - but in reality I am dead serious. It has become a MISSION to find some cheap .22 ammo!

 

[RussB]

I was getting a bit low last fall and spent a couple hours over three days going to every LGS in my area and buying what I could. This was what I got that three days and the next week I did it again. Passed a lot to pals who work during the week and some buddies who are there anytime you need them.

And this is why there's no ammo on the shelves. Retired folks, and those who can spend the time riding around buy it up, in mass quantities are buying it up...It makes it a challenge for the average working man to get any ammo,

unless you have a retired friend with nothing better to do

My local Walmart puts out the ammo between 7:00 to 7:30 am...and the same folks are there to buy it, every day. This is what I was recently told by 3 of the guys who work the sporting goods dept.

The days of grabbing a couple bricks for this weekend's 22 plate shoot is behind us. It's become a chore to acquire 22 ammo

 

[ngnrd]

Man, I wish I could find a couple of boxes of that CCI AR-Tactical around here. I have enough other 22 ammo to keep me shooting, but that AR-T stuff shoots soooooo good in my Buckmark, and I'm down to less than half a box...

 

[HammsBeer]

Sorry some of you missed the bus on ammo these last few years when it was on the shelf at reasonable prices.

If I hold onto my stash, I'm a hoarder.
If I sell it at current market value, I'm a greedy capitalist.

 

[RussB]

If you have a stash, cool

If you buy up ammo because you can. Your choice.

But remember that when you buy up the 22 with no purpose other than because you can get to the store before everyone else, you ARE taking away from those who can't but would still like to go shooting.

Buy it if you need it to shoot, if not, leave it on the shelves for the rest of us

 

[hovercat]

Sportsman's warehouse in WA where I am currently at received only 1 case last week and none this week. It ain't over yet, folks.

 

[HammsBeer]

Trust me, all the .22 I've got was bought in '12 or earlier and the few times I've seen .22 on the shelf this past year I leave it for others. The ONLY ammo I've bought in '13 is 7.5 Swiss which isn't exactly in high demand.

 

[morcey2]

Irony of all ironies: I've been storing/borrowing my brother's Marlin mod 60 for almost 10 years. It's the only 22 I've got at the moment. I've been taking my brother, his wife, and kids shooting a couple of times and now his wife is comfortable with them keeping the gun at their house.

So, due to the fact that I had 22 ammo and was willing to share it, I lost access to the gun and have nothing in which to shoot the ammo.

Not that it was a bad result, since one more person was educated and now I have an excuse to buy another gun.

Matt

 

[texasgun]

pointless hoarders make me sick. I get up early to be at work before 8am. With traffic I leave around 7:30am. When I get a chance to swing by Walmart after work they tell me that when they put the ammo on the shelve around 7:30am ... it's gone within a few minutes. every day.

same ammo shows up on gunbroker a few minutes later at grossly inflated prices...

 

[PabloJ]

You know, I've gotten tired of asking this at my local retailer (Wal-Mart, Bass Pro, Academy, etc.). I could order .22LR online for $.25 per pop, but I'm not going to pay outrageous prices. Also, I can't back order, paying large sums of moula, like scalpers and hoarders do.

I think I'll do just fine without it, until the manufacturers and retailers get it straight.

It's supply and demand. Let them work it out.

While not as fun as shotgun sport shooting .22 rimfire is fine way to introduce someone to shooting. Inability for the willing to find ammo is another nail in gun owner's coffin.

 

[HOME DEPOT GEORGE]

I'm sure nearly everyone on here has smart phones, so quit complaining and set yourself up for email alerts from gunbot and wikiarms. Just this week I got 2 500rd bricks from cabelas for 21.99 each and a 525rd box from Natchez for 28.99. The 2 bricks are going to people I work with and I'll keep the 525 pack. A month or so ago the alerts were spotty at best but in the last week the deals have been popping up daily and sometimes multiple times a day. So you can waste 100's of dollars in gas driving around looking or sit back and complain about someone who has too much ammo in your opinion or you can use the tools that are right under your nose,set up email alerts and wait for your phone to beep. rant off

 

[ngnrd]

Meh... Last week I picked up a 525-rd box of Federal bulk for $25 at my LGS, and I didn't have to pay shipping. When I was in earlier this week they had a couple different kinds sitting on the counter - bricks of Blazer and a pretty big stack of 100-count Mini-Mags. Saw several people pass it up - even when the lady behind the counter was actively asking folks if they needed any. Seems like it's slowing down to me... But, I do feel for you folks that are still in the middle of the 22LR drought.





(As an aside, there were still a couple of fools trying to sell bricks and bulk boxes for $80 at the gun show this weekend. But - I didn't see anybody buying at that price.)

 

[DJW]

Went to the Saxet gunshow here in Austin, Tx. last Saturday as it will be the last show because the left-wing nuts have sealed the "gunshow loophole." Saw the same $65/bucket of golden remington .22 for $150 and, believe it or not, $275 on another table. I did not skin either of the greedy bastards and feel guilty for not doing either of them any harm. It is this kind of greed that has changed my mind about gun folks. Used to think we were all on the same page but I guess that has changed. Guess my dinosaur mentality is just that.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

My wife picked us up three 100 round boxes of CCI at the wallywerld in South Lawrence yesterday. Just lucky I guess...

 

[jrdolall]

I got 1500 rounds from Cabela's on Monday. Price was $22.99 + $5 PER BRICK shipping so $27.99 which is 5.5 cents per round delivered to the house. Walmart is 20 miles away and if I got real lucky and they had 3 bricks it would cost me $21.79 per brick plus 8.5% tax or around $23.50 per brick plus $7 worth of gas.

As was mentioned earlier you need to set up email alerts and be ready to buy right then. Don't wait 10 minutes or it will be gone.

Ammo is being manufactured and ammo is being bought and sold. A local LGS put out 20 bricks on Monday at $89 and sold it all that day. Who are the people that are paying that price for bulk ammo? I understand buying 50 rounds at a high price because you are out of ammo but 500 rounds at that price. Most of these are new shooters that don't realize what it SHOULD cost.

As far as Walmart employees saying they aren't getting as much ammo as they "used to" I just don't buy it. In the next breath they tell you they got in some this morning and it was gone in an hour. Last year they got in 10 bricks and it sat there for three days and now it's gone in an hour.

2LR is like the JFK assassination. Lots of theories. In 20 years maybe we can all make a documentary(like the Bigfoot and Loch Ness shows) and in the end we still won't have an answer.

 

[Mike1234567]

And this is why there's no ammo on the shelves. Retired folks, and those who can spend the time riding around buy it up, in mass quantities are buying it up...It makes it a challenge for the average working man to get any ammo,

unless you have a retired friend with nothing better to do

My local Walmart puts out the ammo between 7:00 to 7:30 am...and the same folks are there to buy it, every day. This is what I was recently told by 3 of the guys who work the sporting goods dept.

The days of grabbing a couple bricks for this weekend's 22 plate shoot is behind us. It's become a chore to acquire 22 ammo

It's even worse here. My local WM only gets .22 LR once per week or less. There's NEVER a line at 0700 UNLESS they received .22 LR... and THEN there's a short line. How... do... those... same... folks... always... know... when... it's... there???

 

[Racinfan83]

'm sure nearly everyone on here has smart phones, so quit complaining and set yourself up for email alerts from gunbot and wikiarms. Just this week I got 2 500rd bricks from cabelas for 21.99 each and a 525rd box from Natchez for 28.99

I have that. Two problems. One - if you have a slow 3g connection like I do at work - by the time you hit checkout on cabelas site the stuff is out of stock. Happened to me yesterday. And then even though you didn't get any - it won't allow you to try and reorder if it pops up again due to the 1 box limit. And Two - I coulda had that one from Natchezz but the shipping was over half the price of the ammo. So 5.5 cents /round turns into almost .10...

 

[Mike1234567]

pointless hoarders make me sick. I get up early to be at work before 8am. With traffic I leave around 7:30am. When I get a chance to swing by Walmart after work they tell me that when they put the ammo on the shelve around 7:30am ... it's gone within a few minutes. every day.

same ammo shows up on gunbroker a few minutes later at grossly inflated prices...

That's not hoarding, it's scalping. I "hoarded" my 14K rds when it was cheap and easy for "everyone" to find. I've bought precisely two boxes of .22 LR in the last "four years" and both were within the last thirty days just to see if I could. One is a 100 rd box of Federal Match I found at my local WM because the clerk must have "missed it" when selling to her friends... my buddy searched through the box of ammo and found it... clerk looked a bit sheepish after she told us there was none. The second box is a brick of Federal Thunderbolt from Cabela's after seeing a heads-up posting right here on THR.

Again, I bought them just to see if I could. Those two newest boxes I'll sell to friends for precisely what I have in them. The 14K rds I bought 4-5 years ago I'll sell for as much as I can get. If that makes you sick then, by all means, throw-up. I didn't buy 14K rds when it was difficult to find. I thought way ahead and invested. I no longer own any .22 LR firearms and, due to this craziness, I'm not very interested in buying any replacements. So I might as well sell the ammo I have.