"Got .22 Long Rifle Ammo ?"

[Ignition Override]

Y'all can decide to switch to centerfire at .15/rd. (5.45x39) or .21/rd. (7.62x39): "Gunbot.com"...prices available thirty minutes ago.
When the Next panic hits, many .22LR rifles or handguns could be on the endangered species list. Those larger center* x39 rounds can be stored now, as a hedge against the Next panic. For novices here, other than the '16 election there will be no warning. The clock is already ticking inside a sociopath or psycho.

Such centerfire costs are not too much higher -if at all- than much of the market price .22LR. At least those two centerfire rounds can damage or sink the target, operating from a military rifle or clone. We have a blast, and don't spend time patroling in stores other than groceries, Walgreens, New Balance running shoes.
Time to go check one of the almost-unused Yugo M59 SKS ($375) bought last month. Approx. the price of many nice .22s (Wz-78).

 

[frankenstein406]

That is just not how it works. The problem is the empty shelves at the big box stores. They are empty because they are underpriced. If big box retailers would raise prices to match demand you would not see these obscene prices that you are referring too. The only reason people pay $65 or whatever for a box of .22 is because they cannot find it anywhere else.

But until the big box retailers raise prices to match demand these things will continue to happen. I am guessing this will linger for several years.

Wouldnt they just increase prices on gunbroker to match the increase on the shelves?

Seems like we need more production.

 

[Queen_of_Thunder]

Wouldnt they just increase prices on gunbroker to match the increase on the shelves?

Seems like we need more production.

The flaw in that argument is the big box retaulers are not getting ammo. You can't raise the price on something thats not on the shelf. Also how many people despise CTD for their pricing. They are doing what some are calling for, raising prices. Yet all they get is hatred about their price gouging. So does one think that a business would want to tick off their customerd like that.

 

[jim000711]

Ah....Cheaper than dirt..... I used to be a customer. Now, I won't go there as long as there is dirt.

As long as people enable them, they will take advantage of us.

 

[Queen_of_Thunder]

But CTD and others did what so many have called for, raise prices. Isn't that the answer to fix the 22lr supply problem that face us today. Shouldn't you be praising them for raising prices and trying to bring sanity back to the 22lr ammo supply. I'm confused. People say raise prices. Companys raise prices. People condemn them for raising prices. Do we even know what we want.

 

[Warp]

The flaw in that argument is the big box retaulers are not getting ammo. You can't raise the price on something thats not on the shelf. Also how many people despise CTD for their pricing. They are doing what some are calling for, raising prices. Yet all they get is hatred about their price gouging. So does one think that a business would want to tick off their customerd like that.

People want to have their cake and eat it too.

People want to, neigh, need to point their finger and place blame.

And for some reason people don't just blame the politicians that started it all, they have to point their fingers at other people too.

It is, to many people, the fault of every person other than themselves. As in anybody who does things differently than them = wrong = it's their fault!

 

[Agsalaska]

No. They could not increas those prices on gunbroker bexause inventory would be on the retail shelves. Remember that every box is not resold. Right now people are buying every box they can get there hands on nexause it is underpriced. But that would end in a hurry if prices increased to match real demand.

 

[Agsalaska]

For some reason my phone is not allowing me to quote replies.

To the person who said isnt the real answer to increase production. The answer is yes if you want to maintain pre 2013 prices. In the long run you will jave to increase production assuming constant demand(an assumption I think is valid)

 

[Agsalaska]

And queen, I am pretty confident my argument is not flawed. There has not been a disruption in production this year and we are consuming more than ever. Supply is stripped thin but everyone is getting ammo.

And, on a side note, I did not and do not demonize CTD for their pricing practices(although they only get away with it because of the pricing pricing issue s already discussed) I demonize them for cancelling orders to raise prices. That's unethical. If it makes anyone feel better they make mistakes both ways. They practically gave me a few guns last year during the ar craze. I think they were just trade ins priced at cost but I got , among others, a Ruger 77/22 in 22 hornet for just over 300 bucks. Felt good taking taking advantage of them

 

[jim000711]

So, if we want to fight obesity, I guess we should raise the price of a Big Mac to $22.50?

 

[jim000711]

CTD or anyone else raising their prices to take advantage of this demand is just that...taking advantage.

The real problem isn't "supply and demand," it is that people are afraid of what our government officials might try to take away from us. If you want to try to solve something, the next opportunity is the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November.

 

[danez71]

I'm with several others here in regards to supply.

4 shops around me have all said they are not getting in nearly as much as they use to; "less than 1/2" to "way less than 1/2".


I'm NOT saying its only a supply issue.


I'm just saying that too many other people here have said something similar for there not to be some kind of supply issue along with increase in demand.

 

[mboylan]

I'm with several others here in regards to supply.

4 shops around me have all said they are not getting in nearly as much as they use to; "less than 1/2" to "way less than 1/2".


I'm NOT saying its only a supply issue.


I'm just saying that too many other people here have said something similar for there not to be some kind of supply issue along with increase in demand.

Supply and demand works at the distributor level too. When demand among retailers increases to match demand to customers, the ammo gets spread around more. Retailers with more pull who are willing to pay a higher wholesale price will get more ammo. Sales of .22 ammo in 2013 were double that of 2012.

 

[Warp]

So, if we want to fight obesity, I guess we should raise the price of a Big Mac to $22.50?

No.

I'm not sure how you got that out of anything being discussed in here.

Here is a comparable Big Mac analogy:

If Big Macs were bought from McDonald's the instant they became available at $8, and most people could never get them from McDonald's at that price, and there was a secondary market where the people who bought them from McDonald's sold them for $25.00, then maybe McDonald's should simply start charging $22.50

 

[frankenstein406]

The flaw in that argument is the big box retaulers are not getting ammo. You can't raise the price on something thats not on the shelf. Also how many people despise CTD for their pricing. They are doing what some are calling for, raising prices. Yet all they get is hatred about their price gouging. So does one think that a business would want to tick off their customerd like that.

They are getting it but the employees are buying it a lot of times.

I don't want the retailer to i want the manufacturer to so they will invest in more equipment. The retailer will then just increase price to keep the same profit margin.

 

[steady shot]

I haven't bought any 22's in a while. Here is about half of my stash of 22's

 

[PedalBiker]

The ones that are causing the average joe a problem are both thet hoard all the ammo thet can find at regular prices and resell it at high prices.
If people will just stop buying bricks for $65 at the pawn shop for a week or three the pawn shop owner will quit stopping at walmart every morning and buying them for $20.

Apply this logic to the housing or stock markets.

Buy low sell high, isn't that the #1 goal of investing?

The painful truth that high prices in stocks or houses is more harmful to the economy than high .22lr prices still hasn't dawned on a lot of folks.

Last I saw Midway USA was allowing back orders on many variations of .22 ammo at reasonable prices.

 

[Mike1234567]

You folks have convinced me... I need to dig out all my .22 LR, .22 WMR and .17 HMR and dump it all on GunBroker for all I can get. I don't really need any of those calibers anyway... not anymore and not at these prices.

 

[photoguy190]

Why would Manufactures want to raise prices?

I keep seeing people say the manufactures need to raise prices to real world prices. I don't see why they would want to do this. They are currently selling as much as they can produce. If they raise prices they will sell less. I think that .22 is at the perfect price point, low enough for high demand yet high enough to make a nice profit. Raise price demand goes down. In the long term you make less money. Manufactures have no incentive to stop the shortage, they are making a lot of money right now.

Looking at the cost of ammo if .22 hits 75-100 a bulk pack at walmart, I'll sell my .22s off and buy 9mm and .223 for plinking. I'm sure that the .22 manufactures know this and don't want to have people stop shooting .22. The real question for the manufactures to ponder is if this demand will stay around. If it proves itself out they will add production, but no one would be smart to spend a lot of money to add production and have every ones stock plies hit 20,000 and stop buying.

I see one of two things happening in the next year or two. Demand will drop back down to the level the manufactures can produce at. Or demand stays the same and manufactures will spend the money to produce more. I don't see ammo going up in price at a distribution level. It will just cut demand and long term profits.

 

[Constrictor]

I keep seeing people say the manufactures need to raise prices to real world prices. I don't see why they would want to do this. They are currently selling as much as they can produce. If they raise prices they will sell less. I think that .22 is at the perfect price point, low enough for high demand yet high enough to make a nice profit. Raise price demand goes down. In the long term you make less money. Manufactures have no incentive to stop the shortage, they are making a lot of money right now.

Looking at the cost of ammo if .22 hits 75-100 a bulk pack at walmart, I'll sell my .22s off and buy 9mm and .223 for plinking. I'm sure that the .22 manufactures know this and don't want to have people stop shooting .22. The real question for the manufactures to ponder is if this demand will stay around. If it proves itself out they will add production, but no one would be smart to spend a lot of money to add production and have every ones stock plies hit 20,000 and stop buying.

I see one of two things happening in the next year or two. Demand will drop back down to the level the manufactures can produce at. Or demand stays the same and manufactures will spend the money to produce more. I don't see ammo going up in price at a distribution level. It will just cut demand and long term profits.

I'm curious how you know the ammo companies are making a nice profit?

 

[Queen_of_Thunder]

I keep seeing people say the manufactures need to raise prices to real world prices. I don't see why they would want to do this. They are currently selling as much as they can produce. If they raise prices they will sell less. I think that .22 is at the perfect price point, low enough for high demand yet high enough to make a nice profit. Raise price demand goes down. In the long term you make less money. Manufactures have no incentive to stop the shortage, they are making a lot of money right now.

Looking at the cost of ammo if .22 hits 75-100 a bulk pack at walmart, I'll sell my .22s off and buy 9mm and .223 for plinking. I'm sure that the .22 manufactures know this and don't want to have people stop shooting .22. The real question for the manufactures to ponder is if this demand will stay around. If it proves itself out they will add production, but no one would be smart to spend a lot of money to add production and have every ones stock plies hit 20,000 and stop buying.

I see one of two things happening in the next year or two. Demand will drop back down to the level the manufactures can produce at. Or demand stays the same and manufactures will spend the money to produce more. I don't see ammo going up in price at a distribution level. It will just cut demand and long term profits.

About 7 months ago there es a 20% increase passed through and there have been price increases since the first of the year. Prices are going up but the availabilit is still sketchy.

 

[Gun Master]

Ammo Mfg. Profits Index

I'm curious how you know the ammo companies are making a nice profit?

No bankruptcy notices filed by any ammo manufacturers, that I've seen, in the newspapers, TV news, online, etc., et al.

 

[danez71]

Supply and demand works at the distributor level too. When demand among retailers increases to match demand to customers, the ammo gets spread around more. Retailers with more pull who are willing to pay a higher wholesale price will get more ammo. Sales of .22 ammo in 2013 were double that of 2012.

But retailers large and small aren't getting as much as last year.My local Big5, Turners, Bass Pro and LGS have all said this. Even an older Associate at 1 of my local Walmarts said it (so make that 5 places). That sample represents the large, small, national, regional, and local retailer.

Big 5 used to always have Blazer. They cant remember the last time they got Blazer in. And Big 5 has jacked up their prices quite a bit; They are now 20-30% more than Turners whereas they used to be with in 5-10 %


Many people have said it too. The retailers aren't getting as much as they used to. If the mfgr's are in fact making the same amount as before, then must be shipping it to new retailers.

I dunno....... IMO, there seems to be some type of supply issue along with increase in demand.

Apply this logic to the housing or stock markets.

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Why?

22lr ammo would be more comparable to bubble gum than either of those. It isn't a piece of a company nor is it a durable good.

 

[deeptekkie]

Ammo?

I do have some. I've noticed that usually small supplies are sent to stores on the same select days, (at least most of the time).
To get through this ammo lull I just bought a Remington pellet rifle. There are plenty of pellets available and with 1000 FPS muzzle velocity it's a blast to shoot, (pardon the pun).

 

[Gun Master]

Ammo For Profit ? What a Novel Idea !

But retailers large and small aren't getting as much as last year.My local Big5, Turners, Bass Pro and LGS have all said this. Even an older Associate at 1 of my local Walmarts said it (so make that 5 places). That sample represents the large, small, national, regional, and local retailer.

Big 5 used to always have Blazer. They cant remember the last time they got Blazer in. And Big 5 has jacked up their prices quite a bit; They are now 20-30% more than Turners whereas they used to be with in 5-10 %


Many people have said it too. The retailers aren't getting as much as they used to. If the mfgr's are in fact making the same amount as before, then must be shipping it to new retailers.

I dunno....... IMO, there seems to be some type of supply issue along with increase in demand.




Why?

22lr ammo would be more comparable to bubble gum than either of those. It isn't a piece of a company nor is it a durable good.

......and the retailers are not "out of business" either. But, .22LR ammo could be viewed as "a convenience to their customers", while making more in money on other items they sell.

Still, I doubt it. Ammo is a large portion of their sales/profits.

Sports Authority in my area sells no real guns or ammo.

If the afore mentioned "ammo selling" stores were not making a profit, they would stop selling it, making better use of their employees time than answering questions from customers regarding non-existent ammo .