Help me understand why I suck with this Glock 22

[CharliesHammer]

It's a standard G22 trigger and measures about 6.5 lb on my Lyman gauge measured in the center of the trigger. I have put more rounds on it with the one that was in it when I got it, which was a G19 style grooved trigger. So that bar may be a bit more polished but they feel pretty much the same to me, break-wise.

I do want to try a minus connector but can't find one anywhere.

There is a guy on eBay selling mlnus connectors. Sellers profile is kingglockinc
Supposedly OEM for $22.00.

 

[LiveLife]

Try the index finger vs third finger dry firing, especially quickly.

This is a common issue many shooters experience due to inherent Glock trigger design. If dry firing with third finger, especially when pressing the trigger quickly (what we do when shooting double taps) moves the front sight less at the END of the trigger pull, then you are causing the POI deviation from POA.

Solution?

Firmer push/pull grip with work transferred to the shoulders/chest/back muscles - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ith-this-glock-22.861829/page-2#post-11354420

And many shooters, once they master the transfer of grip work to larger muscles, POI deviation from POA is less.

 

[WrongHanded]

The first shot was an x by the way.

When I hit right where I want with the first shot, and then start wandering off, it's one of two things:

1 - My grip has shifted after the initial shot, and I keep shooting without re-adjusting.
2 - I'm flinching.

Get on some bags, just to confirm what the ammo can do. Then practice that trigger pull. And if you are flinching, try shooting faster. It sometimes helps (me).

 

[LiveLife]

When I hit right where I want with the first shot, and then start wandering off, it's one of two things:

1 - My grip has shifted after the initial shot, and I keep shooting without re-adjusting.
2 - I'm flinching.

And that's what I was trying to do with OP shooting eyes closed to see what the OP's BODY was actually doing, to get information from POI deviation from POA.

If POI deviates at 5 yards with eyes closed, OP is adding input to trigger/grip as at 5 yards, POI should be right at POA for just about any pistol.

And if POI deviation is grouped to the left/down, then OP is consistently deviating POI away from POA.

Now, when I see this, I have shooter use third finger as trigger finger and if POI deviation does not happen with third finger, then shooter is causing POI deviation from POA with the index finger, not the pistol or the ammo.

 

[1KPerDay]

There is a guy on eBay selling mlnus connectors. Sellers profile is kingglockinc
Supposedly OEM for $22.00.

Thanks. Couldn’t find his but found another OEM minus connector for $20 shipped.

 

[lionking]

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10 yards offhand. Rounds hitting everywhere. Is it my eyes on the Ameriglo Pro I dot sights? Is it my trigger control? Is it my reloads?

I’m seriously baffled. I was shooting at a 12” plate at 18 yards, good sight alignment, nice slow smooth trigger press, and missing. “REALLY?!?” I said out loud.

something’s amiss.

here’s the G22 10 shots at 10 yards. RMR 155 RNFP over 5.6 W231. Should I try longer OAL? Should I just give up on Glocks?

these are at 1.125” IIRC.

How many times did you try, I know there are days I am just off be it physically or mentally and I just know there was a shot off as I squeezed,because I broke concentration at the last moment, happened to me last weekend. All day Sunday, great group of 7 or 8 then two or three shots had to be away from the pack. Fatigue matters also, after several hours it gets to me and then frustration just makes it worse.

We already know you can shoot good, been seen on here time and time again, maybe just need to practice more with that Glock or change ammo.

 

[1KPerDay]

You’re very kind but there’s off and then there’s OFF. When I’m concentrating my hardest and genuinely surprised at an easy miss, something’s wrong with me or the gun or the ammo. I’m betting on me.

 

[lionking]

You’re very kind but there’s off and then there’s OFF. When I’m concentrating my hardest and genuinely surprised at an easy miss, something’s wrong with me or the gun or the ammo. I’m betting on me.

later tonight I'll post some targets of mine from Sunday, as my targets pertain to this thread also, but the short story for now is I know it's me when my shots are off, I can usually feel it and know it as it happens BUT there is a fact that some of us own A LOT of guns and it takes time to get use to a particular one and some designs we just shoot better with than others, I know for me Glock has always been a harder gun to shoot target shooting wise. But when I see the average person the way their targets look well I don't feel so bad lol. Last Sunday guy next to me shooting a man size target at 10 yards and was actually missing some shots off the target, and he has been there before not a exact newbie to shooting a gun.

 

[LiveLife]

something’s wrong with me or the gun or the ammo. I’m betting on me.

some of us own A LOT of guns and it takes time to get use to a particular one and some designs we just shoot better with than others, I know for me Glock has always been a harder gun to shoot target shooting wise.

Technically, it's Glock's fault.

When introducing shooters to point shooting, I have them shoot 9mm/40S&W Glocks and 45ACP 1911 pistols and when some demonstrate POI deviation from POA with Glocks, I have them shoot my Sig 1911 and when they shoot same POI as POA, they go, "Wow, the trigger on this is lighter and cleaner". So I have them "compensate" for Glock trigger as they point shoot (Remember the POI/POA synchronizing steps?)

So if we have to use firmer, "compensated" grip with greater care to trigger control, yes, ultimately it's Glock's fault.

 

[M1key]

Have you let someone else shoot it?

M

 

[lionking]

Ok 1K, took these pics from last Sunday, I already know what part of my problem is, too many guns, too little time. A weekend comes, wake up early 7 30 AM (even though I don't want to and yes that is early for me same time I wake up to go to work would rather sleep in till 10 or 11AM ) drive a hour to the range after 5 or 6 hours sleep (because I stay up late) with a bag full of guns attempting to get as much as I can done with too many at once. All the while allowing myself 30 min each gun before moving on to the next.

This is partly why my SIG 226 and Springfield XDM that I am about to post after this message I both bought middle last year I am only now starting to get better with them. Again too many guns, too little time. These are my final targets of the day last Sunday after fiddling around adjusting the sights, and testing different ammo. As you can see like you, I always have two or three shots that go off and I know it's me, not the gun not the ammo, although after you or me making a mistake the next culprit I would blame is ammo. Getting back to trying to cram in too much at the range at once, 9;30 am to 2:30 PM, by the end it is pretty tiring and not conducive to shooting your best by the end. Someone mentioned blaming the sun as a joke, actually my range faces west by 1PM to 3PM the sun actually is blaring at me from the front and does matter.

Some mistakes are more known and pronounced, others can be subtle but the target shows either. Holding the gun up for a extended time, concentrating on front sight focus, correct grip, correct breathing, correct trigger squeezing it takes physical and mental endurance. I personally get to go out shooting once or twice a month bringing a bag of guns, I know I need to bring less and shoot more of the same gun.

Getting to the Glock, I like my XDM 5.25 a lot better than a stock Glock, for target shooting, feels better, and I have really become a fan of the glow fiber optic front sight with a black rear. Indoors or outdoors with sun in my face or not glow dot is easy to focus on. As time goes by I have become less of a fan of three dot sights. But the trigger on a Glock or the XDM needs getting use to, in the end I do prefer a lighter single action trigger. My opinion the Glock is a top combat or defense gun, but stock without mods not the greatest bulls eye shooter.

I can't diagnosis your problem , but based on my mistakes getting flyers away from a good group, just giving input and I would lean toward the gun not being the problem and more toward human error or the ammo. At 10 yards if I can keep most in the 10 with a couple in the 9 ring I'm happy but usually a couple go in the 8 ring or worse lol.

 

[lionking]

1K getting back to your first post, sorry I went off about me to much, but flyers at a short distance bothers me also, is it a stock trigger on the Glock with stock trigger pull weight? My friend has G21 with lightened trigger and I shoot it a lot better than a standard Glock.

You asked about the eyes, could be. I wear progressives, anything below 7 yards or so looking through the top of my lenses are a bit blurry, so focusing on the front sight is a bit blurry but at 10 yards shooting it isn't that bad , when it gets out to 25 yards it becomes a lot harder and I don't want to tilt my head back so I am looking at the sights with the bottom of my glasses. But you pulled off a excellent group with the Taurus so it goes back to not being the ammo, not your eyes, and probably not the gun but you using the Glock.

But let me ask do you have other Glock's?

 

[1KPerDay]

Have you let someone else shoot it?

M

Yeah but nobody I know shoots as well as me.

 

[1KPerDay]

But let me ask do you have other Glock's?

Yep, discussed here https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...suck-with-this-glock-22.861829/#post-11353723

 

[lionking]

Yep, discussed here https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...suck-with-this-glock-22.861829/#post-11353723

well alright maybe that particular Glock is just a issue then. Guess I'd try different ammo and see

 

[1KPerDay]

Planning to tonight!

 

[LiveLife]

Yeah but nobody I know shoots as well as me.

That's too funny!

 

[1KPerDay]

Well I think it’s safe to say it’s not the pistol that’s the problem. It’s me, my eyes, the sights, my reloads, or some combination thereof.

10 shots rested 10 yards powerbond 165, 5.2 W231, cci spp, mixed brass, 1.125”

Followed by 10 shots PPU 165 FPJ, and 10 shots Blazer Brass 180 FMJ

POA is the bottom of the red circle.

 

[1KPerDay]

10 yards offhand with PPU 165 FPJ. First 3 shots were 10s.

 

[1KPerDay]

G41 offhand 10 shots 10 yds Xtreme 230 RN 5.2 W231 mixed brass, bone stock pistol:

G30.4 bone stock 10 yards 10 shots offhand Powerbond 230 RN 5.1 HP-38:

 

[LiveLife]

Well, based on these two targets, I would say you are pushing the POI to the left from POA when shooting offhand.

Nice tight group with pistol rested using factory ammo

Same pistol and ammo but standing offhand, POI deviation to the left from POA

 

[1KPerDay]

Yep.

 

[tomrkba]

Tighten your grip. Use 100% with both hands. Lock your pinky fingers on the grip, lock your wrist, drive your thumb forward, and elbow. Either push-pull from the shoulder or press your elbows down, as you prefer, to cause your palms to pinch the gun's grip. Lean forward and put your nose past your toes.

The tighter grip will prevent the gun from wandering in your hand. With the platform solid, now sink more trigger finger into the trigger. It will bring the shots back over to center. Citation: Pat MacNamara (just noticed: See Post #26 of this thread).

 

[LiveLife]

It’s me, my eyes, the sights, my reloads, or some combination thereof.

Here's something interesting.

This offhand group shows slight POI deviation to the left of POA BUT the deviations are consistent to form a tight group. So, if I saw this, I would try drifting the rear sight or if point shooting, have the shooter make horizontal adjustment at the waist.

 

[LiveLife]

As to shooting your reloads rested, you got 7 holes on POA and 3 holes to the right. You may have pulled the shots to the right while trying to compensate?

I would reshoot the rested reload group. If second group is tight at POA, no issue with reloads.