Help With AR-15 Decision Please

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I know many have stated it before, but there really is no wrong answer (well maybe a few vendors to stay away from). Your only restriction will be your intention and the amount of money you want to spend. Building your own is a great idea, but it is not for everyone. Colt has a good history and it is what most consider the standard. You will not go wrong with just about anyone on the list you have provided.

Just go and find one "YOU" like and get it. You can get the most expensive and prettiest rifle in the world and if your not happy, then it is money wasted. If you have the cash spend it on what you want and not on others opinions. Good luck.
 
Don't go through the time and bother of rolling your own, IMO.

Buy the pony, set it and forget it.
 
I've just been over a couple of hours of research on uppers lowers and in betweeners....HOLY CRAP there is way too much stuff out there for these firearms.:cuss:

Maybe I should just save up the money and go with my original plan of getting a Knight Armament SR-15:banghead:
There is a TON of info out there and it is overwhelming to a point. Take your time, visit some of the AR specific forums, try to shoot as many different AR' as possible (friends or rent)....I rushed into my first and bought a DPMS (has been ok) but would not have bought if I knew a little of the knowledge that I have picked up. My second was much better researched and is rock solid.
 
I've just been over a couple of hours of research on uppers lowers and in betweeners....HOLY CRAP there is way too much stuff out there for these firearms.:cuss:

Maybe I should just save up the money and go with my original plan of getting a Knight Armament SR-15:banghead:
Speaking from being in the same situation as you before, take your time and decide. After getting as much hands on experience with various ARs I can say I would only ever consider buying KAC, LMT, or Colt

Colt if you want a basic AR or want to do your own thing with it
LMT if you want non railed AR and no carry handle or if you want piston
KAC if you want a rail and all around complete package. Also if you are a lefty it's a no brainer

Take your time. It pays off. Trust me :)
 
Practically speaking the knight armament has everything I need and nothing I don't. Looking at getting a "basic" set up and then adding on all the practical (not tactical...I hate that word) amenities is about the same price as the KAC. However, I will not give up on building one. Something I learned from my father is to never pay for something you can proudly build with your bare hands.
 
I have a RRA my buddy has a DPMS with a CMMG upper. I would say any AR is better than no AR..
 
Have you checked out STAG ARMS? I bought a Model 2L for my first AR and I love it so far!
 
If building your own is too intimidating, then go with Colt. No question about it being the best of the choices you've listed.
 
Say what you will about DPMS but mine has been an excellent rifle. A couple years in the prairie dog fields and hundreds of rounds in between cleanings it still functions flawlessly.

Remember to take what you read on the internet with a grain of salt. A prime example is a statement made in this thread...."RRA, Bushmaster, and DPMS don't stake carrier keys." My DPMS and my brothers Bushmaster came from the factory with staked carrier keys. Misinformation like this is what perpetuates internet rumors. I can't say every one is staked but mine have been.

Are they top of the line? No. Is it one of my most accurate factory rifles? Yes. Do I plan on sweeping rooms for zombies or taking a tactical shooting class? No. Consider the use you have planned for it and buy the appropriate model.

I can only speak for the AR's that I have owned. Colt, Bushmaster and DPMS.....every single one of them has been an excellent rifle. How's that for ambiguous?

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I haven't read the entire thread and am just addressing the OP here.

I'm considering an ar-15 variant and have narrowed it down to 3 or 4 Manufactures. I have listed them below and have added pros and cons about them from research. I would greatly appreciate any info or corrections. I have listed them in order of most wanting. I realize there are sporting AR-15s and SHTF AR-15s however I want something in between. Honestly if I ever need a rifle for SHTF I'll reach for my Arsenal Ak 47. I also realize you cant have your cake and eat it too. Combining the quality and price will be tricky and I'm sure controversial but it's what I'm looking for.

1. Colt 6920 $1037.00 Shipped
Pro's: Reputation of mil-spec assembly, function and finish. General military background of colt
Con's: Higher priced item.Higher Priced than what? They are currently available for $990. That is in the Price range of Any others out there right now. It is only 90 bucks more than the RR you posted below.

2. Rock River Arms AR-15 $898.00 Shipped
Pro's: Law enforcement background, lower price and good reputation.
No. Please just no. RRA doesn't have a LE background anymore than I do. Yes some departments buy them and they got one small DEA contract. But that doesn't make them better guns. They are second rate at best.
Con's: Just from what I've read I hear they are not as accurate and have trouble cycling with some ammo. 1x9 twist I will actually disagree with the accuracy part. They are not reliable but they are accurate.


3. Bushmaster Optic Ready W/ Factory Installed Magpul Equipment. $945 Shipped
Pro's: Law enforcement background, magpul original equipment, comes with Pmag. Same as above. LE background no more than I am. I promise you there are More Colts in LE hands than BM or RRA.
Con's: Reliability and accuracy seems to be a roll of the dice. Questionable on mil-spc parts/function. Permanently attached flash hider.

All good points here on the Cons.

4. DPMS Panther AP4 $814.00 Shipped
Pro's: Chrome-moly barrel, detachable A3 carry handle, "mil-spec" phosphated finish supposedly, Lower price

None of these you listed is a Pro. Chrome-Moly is inferior to 4150 with chrome lining. The Colt also have a detachable carry handle and that "Mil-Spec" Phosphated finish is a marketing ploy.

Con's: Questionable quality in both function and finish. I've heard great things about it and I've heard horrific things about it. Over 7lbs.
Trust me the negatives were right. I have a special hatred for DPMS after all the problems I personally had and all the problems my customers used to have. The guys that work there are good but their product is junk.

The long and short of it is that all these rifles are within a very small price window. There is no reason not to spend the extra on the Colt. If we were talking several hundred dollars you may be able to argue going with one of the others but in some cases we are talking less than 100 and worst case we are talking $180
 
Remember to take what you read on the internet with a grain of salt. A prime example is a statement made in this thread...."RRA, Bushmaster, and DPMS don't stake carrier keys." My DPMS and my brothers Bushmaster came from the factory with staked carrier keys. Misinformation like this is what perpetuates internet rumors. I can't say every one is staked but mine have been.
I'll take your comments with a grain of salt since you list two rifles you have hands on experience with. I sold (conservative guess) over 400 AR-15s over the three years I worked firearms retail in a high volume shop. The DPMS or Bushmaster that had a properly staked carrier key was rare. Some had little dimples, but that doesn't stake the screws into the carrier key. Many carrier keys weren't touched at all. This isn't misinformation, nor internet rumor.

What really ticks me off is DPMS' LR-308 rifles. These rifles don't have the assembly issues DPMS' AR-15s have, which proves they know how to build an AR pattern rifle correctly. In fact I own a DPMS LR-308 that's configured very similarly to your DPMS AR-15. Hands on experience with my LR-308, and a good friend's LR-308 leave me with no doubt that your DPMS AR-15 is very accurate.

DPMS (or their contractor?) does a great job rifling their barrels. I wish they'd make sure their 5.56 chambers were in spec because I saw the gunsmith fix too many with a 5.56 chamber reamer set on the DPMS rifles. He could do that because most of the DPMS rifles didn't have hard chromed bores & chambers. We saw our fair tight chambered Bushmasters, but because hard chroming is standard on those, they had to be sent back to Bushmaster to get fixed.

A few years ago, the $600-$700 DPMS rifles were an okay buy if you knew the risks - have the gunsmith fix the chamber under the in store warranty if it needed it, stake the carrier key & RE castle nut yourself, and a $75 HPT/MPI bolt if you wanted cheap insurance. You could spend another $35 or so, and get the heavier duty mil-spec RE tube (aka buffer tube). Nothing else the price range offered a nitrided or hard chromed bore at the price point at that time. Alas, it's not 2008 anymore. It's 2011, and S&W is offering a properly assembled rifle with HPT/MPI bolt, and T/C 1:8 5R nitrided barrel for $600. A couple hundred more gets you a Spikes with all the proper parts & assembly, plus a 1:7 hard chromed Mil-B-11595E bbl. Colts can now be found for $1000 (give or take a few bucks), rather the scare price of $1200+. LMT ARs are easier to find now too. Daniel Defense & Bravo Company have busted onto the scene with the added value of cold hammer forged 1:7 twist Mil-B-11595E bbls, along with all the proper parts & assembly, at prices lower than comparably equipped Colts. There's this new company called Palmetto State Armory that's selling uppers (some with FN cold hammer forged barrels) which are assembled correctly on paper (customer reviews indicate it's a reality too) at great prices. DPMS & Bushmaster didn't get any worse, but their competition sure as heck got alot better.
 
I've been looking at palmettos site. I was thinking of a spikes receiver with THIS upper. Should I get the lower parts kit from palmetto or is there another company I should look at for the lower parts. Also, I have a thing for light triggers :evil:
 
That hammer forged FN barrel is super nice. I have a Troy MRF rail on a rifle, and it's a very good product. I like my Daniel Defense rails better, but that's splitting hairs. Troy makes some darn fine rails, you should be more than happy with that TRX.
Should I get the lower parts kit from palmetto or is there another company I should look at for the lower parts. Also, I have a thing for light triggers :evil:
No reason not to when you can get an LPK from Palmetto that has a Giselle SSA or SSA-E trigger group included. :evil:
 
i like that first one you linked better. the one at 10:00pm, more than the one you linked @ 10:09pm
 
looks like you can add a set of magpul sights, front and rear, to your upper for 70 bux.

i dont know how good those are as all my ar's have had the carry handle sights (which i love)

someone here could give their opinion on them im sure.
 
I suggest you look here: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/

Choose a complete upper you like and a lower. Insert two pins and you are good to go with a top tier rifle. Plus by pinning the two pieces together yourself you save 11% (last I heard).

For more info go here: http://www.m4carbine.net/forum.php

I have built five rifles using BCM parts and all have been everything I expected. I am pretty demanding regarding quality.

Added: I think you will find all of the configurations you can imagine at BCM. Personally, I like 16" middy gas with reasonably light barrels.
 
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