One step at a time my friend is the way I approach it. People have to build up to that high speed stuff. I see a lot of instructors and trainers skipping right over a lot of fundamentals. Not saying you are one of them.... but there is a lot of them out there. Lots of focusing on the tactics and not the individual. Negligent discharges from sloppy firearms handling happen all the time...even in LE circles. There is a fine line between defensive and offensive training when someone has little training and not great at controlling emotions under stress. Its that famous line ..."with great power comes great responsibility". That goes not only for the student but also the instructor/trainer. This is not golf or tennis nor is it basic training or police academy. Both of which deal with mental conditioning along with hands on firearms training. Some of these "experts" are going to end up in court with some of this razzle dazzle training.
Is Federal’s New 30 Super Carry a 32 ACP Magnum?
- Thread starter jski
- Start date
- Status
One step at a time my friend is the way I approach it. People have to build up to that high speed stuff. I see a lot of instructors and trainers skipping right over a lot of fundamentals. Not saying you are one of them.... but there is a lot of them out there. Lots of focusing on the tactics and not the individual. Negligent discharges from sloppy firearms handling happen all the time...even in LE circles. There is a fine line between defensive and offensive training when someone has little training and not great at controlling emotions under stress. Its that famous line ..."with great power comes great responsibility". That goes not only for the student but also the instructor/trainer. This is not golf or tennis nor is it basic training or police academy. Both of which deal with mental conditioning along with hands on firearms training. Some of these "experts" are going to end up in court with some of this razzle dazzle training.
You would think someone would have actually designed a gun specifically for it over all that time. I guess we will know in the next month or so.
Jim Watson
Member
Yup, same deal. They seem to have done a better job with .40 than 10mm, though; I read more reports of spotty feeding in Deltas.
That would have required Vista to leak samples of ammo to gunmakers early in the design process. Apparently they didn't so what we get is adapted 9mms.
But what will a dedicated .30 have different? It can be narrower which would help concealment of a double stack a smidgen easier. A single stack 9mm is comfortable to me, I would not want a thinner grip from a .30. But then I don't have the smallest hands in town, so that might be a selling point.
I won't lie, the 30SC does look interesting and I do want to try it out. But I will wait until it has been out a while and for other gun makers to make pistols chambered for it. I am not a fan of the S&W Shield EZ (or most of their polymer pistols) and as much as I like the 1911 platform, I will never pay the price that Nighthawk Customs wants.
Kind of dumb from marketing standpoint isnt it. I doubt I would carry one over 9mm given the choice. Just doesnt make sense. I might be interested just from a gun enthusiast sense if there was a neat pistol designed around it. I keep coming back to something like the Automag 2 in 30 super. A scaled down 32 mag. Its one of the big reasons I like Tokarevs. 22WMR is the pits in an autoloader.
Of course.
I'd like to see them put this in a Walther PP or PPK size pistol, that is a steel frame, steel slide, steel magazine - but, not with a blowback operation. I've fired the S&W EZ in 9mm and 40S&W, and I would never get the 40, just cause loading the magazines is three times harder than any other magazine I've ever laoded. Someone should design something for this, with the weight and balance all worked out.
I think the only reason the .38 ACP exists is it was a desire to have more power than .32 ACP, and the engineering made a fatter bullet work in the same designs - and really here we are 100 years or so later, and they have a new take on that leap up in nrg for the original bullet diameter, littel heavier bullet, major bump in velocity, it is interesting and should fill a lot of area where there was only the .38 ACP ... now this is what looks like another good option.
I think the only reason the .38 ACP exists is it was a desire to have more power than .32 ACP, and the engineering made a fatter bullet work in the same designs - and really here we are 100 years or so later, and they have a new take on that leap up in nrg for the original bullet diameter, littel heavier bullet, major bump in velocity, it is interesting and should fill a lot of area where there was only the .38 ACP ... now this is what looks like another good option.
In 2017 or 2018 this cartridge would have had a fighting chance. With the intro of the Sig P365, Springfield Hellcat, Ruger 9 Max, Kimber Mako, heck even Savage has a micro 9mm these days this cartridge is DOA unless they can pull a rabbit out of their hat. 10+1 in a carry gun is the new standard, not a marketing advantage.
jeff-10
Member
That probably has more to do with Glock vs 1911 than caliber.
The (super duper) would be more doomed
danez71
Member
Seems "Super" worked out ok for Ford.
The Glockodile
Member
- Joined
- May 6, 2020
- Messages
- 1,688
Yeah but the only competition is from Chevy and Dodge, if it were not for that the “Super Dooty” would get a lot more laughs.
Did you say "Booty?"
CapnMac
Member
I'm going to guess you mean the .380acp (9x17).
The .38acp (9x23sr) was introduced in 1900. And was considered a bit of a "dud" and birthed the .38super as a result. The rimless .380acp was introduced in 1908 also as an "answer" to the .38acp, as more "potent" and better suited for pocket carry.
There is very little under the sun in ammunition that has not been attempted or tried before.
Jim Watson
Member
The .38 Auto ran from 1900 til 1931, with the "Pocket Hammer" being the best seller at 31000 guns, maybe 40,000 all versions. But then they sold nearly as many Super .38s as that in only 10 years before WWII.
Well, the .380 is certainly better suited to pocket carry than even the .38 Pocket Hammer, but it is no where near as "potent". Maybe you were comparing it to .32 ACP for potency.
Well, the .380 is certainly better suited to pocket carry than even the .38 Pocket Hammer, but it is no where near as "potent". Maybe you were comparing it to .32 ACP for potency.
yea - you're right. I mean't that.
Terry G
Member
I can't see it going anywhere. You have .380's that are smaller than most of us could imagine 20 years ago and 9 MM's, Hellcat, P364, etc. that already outshine some "Super" .30. Oh, some people will buy it, no doubt. People bought the Gyro Jet.
Jim Watson
Member
Yes, but it sure is hard to find those little rockets. There is a video of actual firing of Gyrojets, I forget how much money they converted into noise with very few shots.
BreechFace
Member
- Joined
- Mar 2, 2020
- Messages
- 3,513
Might have to find a box of 30SC ammo when it hits the shelves. I have a bare spot right next to my 45GAP on my ammo shelf.
Jim Watson
Member
Local store is still flogging the CSX, don't even know what a .30 Super Carry is.
MutinousDoug
Member
When I was shooting Bullseye indoors in the 1980's most everyone shot .22s, .38s and .45s. We were all wearing muffs and/or plugs. Occasionally someone would bring in a 9mm or .357 and drive everyone off the line.
I've heard a lot of M1 Carbine in the past 60's-70's outdoors, recreational and otherwise. I don't relish the thought of hearing (?) a 50k psi pistol indoors at arms length without hearing protection incoming or outgoing. My ears already ring all the time.
I find that shooting my Kel-Tec PMR30 22WMR at indoor ranges is just as if not louder than shooting my 9mm pistols. Either way I always double up on the hearing protection. I don't see the 30SC being any louder when shot at indoor ranges. But I could be wrong.
Basis?
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
