What's your EFFECTIVE recoil threshold?

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That really depends on how the firearm is stocked and weight,recoil pad/grips,etc.

I shot a Barrett M99 a few times and the recoil wasn't bad at all. I shot an older Weatherby MK V in 300 Weatherby and it kicked the snot out of me and was VERY unpleasant.

How a firearm fits you,weight,and a quality recoil pad/grip(muzzle break) helps a lot in recoil management.
 
For the range, it would be somewhere north of a .500 S&W in a 4"... also 10mm -- as that's the most I've had an opportunity to shoot.

For personal defense, it's considerably less.
 
IME the Weatherby Rifles with the factory "California Style" stocks are for looks rather than function, with the forward sloping comb actually sliding your face into the scope upon firing if not held firmly. I have owned two Weatherby Mark Vs, one in .270 Weatherby Magnum and one in .300 Weatherby Magnum. Both were beautiful, both were Sub-MOA, but they were not fun to shoot.

I have been blessed, some might say cursed, to have shot bolt rifles up to .460 Weatherby Magnum and Double Rifles up to .600 Nitro Express. They were actually tolerable when using good form, a good stance, and a stock that halfway fits.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
What the Army researched and discovered from WWI to the late '50s was that the average human -a draftee, and that includes women - can't handle .30 Ball, either '06 or .308. The recoil is more than they want to handle, over the threshold, and it significantly affects accuracy.

Sure, trained shooters with extensive practice can handle .300WSM or whatever the latest cool sniper caliber is. They ain't average. Those guys don't shoot a combat load of it every day, either.

A combat load is about 300 rounds, and sometimes you shoot double or triple that if things get intense. Hopefully. You have to be alive to do it.

That's why the Army dropped down to the .223 - it increase accuracy. The ballistics also matched the effective range of power needed for the reality of the battlefield. Soldiers weren't capable of hitting much beyond 150 yards, and they couldn't control more than 500 yards of territory with small arms fire. It takes crew served heavy weapons, artillery, and aircraft beyond that.

Therefore, the effective recoil limit for the average human is in the .223 to .30-30 range, which includes another round, 7.62 x 39, the universally regarded AK caliber. It should be very apparent there is a common threshold - 8 to 10 pounds.

Check it yourself, you can see it here: http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

Here's another comparison, the National Service Rifle allows either 5.56 or 7.62, the top contenders shoot the M16 in 5.56. One reason is it's inherent accuracy, which is less expensive to attain, another is the rapid fire course - less recoil means you get on target quicker, and the scores are always higher in that regard, which gives the M16 the edge over the M14/M1.

Same for three gun, in the early years, the .223 was outlawed, including .30 wildcats similar to the Blackout. Once the shooters brought pressure to bear allowing it, few choose anything bigger than 7.62x39. Same for carbine courses - they don't disallow .308 for them, shoot 1,000 rounds over a two day weekend and get back with us on that.

Strip all the masculine posturing and oneupmanship out of the caliber wars, and you find when the smoke (and mirrors) clear, there is a limit to how much people want to be kicked. It's really not that much. I will take every opportunity to shoot larger, of course, and did all I could when it was free. 100 rounds of .50BMG is a lot of fun, every round of it was behind an M2 on a tripod - not shoulder mounted. Even the Army doesn't do that.

And now back to the fantasy of superheros blasting away with magnums with no ill effects whatsoever. Arnold S. has no lack of competition on the internet.
 
When I was a young lad my father introduced me to rifles that kick too hard and too young of an age without the proper technique.

As a consequence, I was recoil shy for most of my life. I would say it was mostly phsychological.

Now, I've had a lot of experience and I se em to be buying harder recoiling rifles each year.

From the bench at the range, I use a PAST recoil shield as well as a thick hunting jacket. Combined with ensuring that the stool is at the correct height so that the stock is firmly and evenly in the pocket of my shoulder and that I am leaning slightly into the rifle seems to mean that I can shoot virtually any caliber for any practical amount of time at the range.

In the field, I find that I never feel recoil when shooting at game. I've fired full house 30 Newton loads in an original Newton rifle which has a steel butt plate and never felt a thing when shooting at a live animal.

Of course, the same caveats apply there which is holding the rifle tightly into the fleshy pocket in my shoulder between my collar bone and ball of shoulder and leaning into the rifle.

It seems that with enough practice and acclimation one can break a fear of recoil and learn to handle any practical amount.
 
Shot a few rounds from a friends Barrett m82a1 a few years ago. While the recoil was more like a big push. I think I`ll stick to 30 06, .308 and the smaller ammo.
 
45/70 rifle is probably beyond my recoil threshold. It's a shame, because I do own one that I like. I've injured both of my shoulders in non-shooting related incidents in the past 7 or 8 years, and it's taken 6 to 12 months to heal completely in both cases. Will not go through that again, if at all possible. I'm not a hunter, but still have a .243 and .223 just in case.

So, because of my injuries, my rifle threshold is low. Handguns - I handle ,45acp fine and most .357 loads. Don't go beyond that. I mean, shooting's supposed to be fun, right?
 
22lr. Anything bigger than that takes the fun out of it for me. If I am shooting a gun bigger than a 22lr I am shooting it with a purpose ie sighting in deer rifle, shooting deer, hogs, etc. or the obligatory practice with the CCW.
 
Pistols 454 Casull is my limit in rifles I've fired 458 level loads out of both a Ruger No 1 and Browning 1885 that's my limit as of now. Fired a 375 H&H out of a No 1 can't say I'd want to fire that off a bench more than a few times. Tuned back the 45/70 loads and now I fire them out of a Sharps Long Range much more comfortable.
 
I find a bolt action 30-06 or 303 British can get a little painfull off the bench. Most powerful handgun I have shot is a 44 mag. Not bad at all. Regularly shoot a S&W 625 with 45 ACP cartridges and find it pretty comfortable. I use a PAST recoil sholder shield and with it, can shoot any rifle all day long with no bad effects. Maybe a bit wussie but not black and blue bruising nor flinches.
 
Depends on the specific use, firearm and loading. My handgun recoil limit, when I've been shooting a lot (haven't been lately) is somewhere north of .44 Magnum territory. I used to shoot a ton of .44s in a S&W 629 I had, but have since sold after picking up two .357 Magnums which in reality are better for my uses anyway. I have fired some .480 Ruger and 1 round of .45-70 in an Encore pistol. The .480 wasn't bad. The .45-70? I could have shot 1 or 2 more but that would have been it.

In rifles I don't particularly care for anything that belts me harder than a stout '06 or a .300 Magnum. I say that after having a 6-lb .45-70 (an Encore carbine incidentally) and loading it to 2000-fps with 300s was my "fun" limit. It kicked hard and fast and I was never confident making snap-shots with it. Now my heaviest kicking rifle is a Marlin 336 .30-30, which I have far more confidence with, in-spite of its "weaker" cartridge.

Shotguns, a regular-weight 12-ga tossing up to the 1 1/4 oz field loads is tolerable. It doesn't feel that much different to me than my lighter weight 20-ga also stuffed with heavy field loads. There was probably a pound to pound and a half of extra weight in the 12, which helped moderate the extra kick. Still, the 12-ga is gone and the 20 stayed, mostly because the lighter firearm is more pleasant to tote around.
 
All of those single barreled inexpensive 12 gauge shotguns are nose breakers, especially if you running slugs or 00 buck.

I have a NEF 20 gauge youth model that'll knock all the snot out of your schnozola with 3" turkey magnums.

Can shoot my 308 Winchester 8 pound Ruger MKII target rifle free recoil off the bags ,benched ,all day until I get sloppy lose form and let it pop my boney shoulder in the wrong place. Then I can't hit the back board let along the bull 'cause of the flinch.

My 4" 686 isn't painful with hot 125 gr loads but I don't like that "slap in the face" from all the muzzle and cylinder gap blast, that'll get me flinching quicker than anything.

260-300gr John Linebaugh high pressure 45 Colt loads, make me wonder who is actually in control of my 4 5/8th " Ruger Bishawk. Gotta wear sticky gloves to keep hold of it so it doesn't boink me on the noggin .
 
Back in the 60's I had a .55 Boys antitank rifle, and I have to say, THAT was my limit. I still feel it on damp days. :eek:
 
I'd have to go with .44 magnum for handgun. Recoil's not the issue, but the muzzle flip makes me a bit slower on follow-up shots. That's why my duty gun is a .357.

On a long gun I'll say 2 to 2 1/4 oz. turkey hammers, 3 1/2" shell, out of my 835 Mossberg. Thank god for the LimbSaver pad and the weight of the gun to suck up some of the recoil. Tried 3" turkey loads out of my Mossy 500 (stock recoil pad) and was bruised for days.
 
3 in. magnum in a 12 ga.

I shot a 3 1/2 inch magnum one time out of a shotgun with no recoil pad. No more. Ever.
 
My Savage in .270 WSM beats me up a bit with the stock recoil pad. After about 10 rounds I know that my trigger control starts to diminish....

Now, add a limbsaver and I'm good for much longer.
 
10rds of Remington full power 357 magnum SJHP ammo out of my Smith Wesson 340pd. Thats it for me. I put it down and walk away.
Mike
 
I've got a damaged wrist and knuckles from fighting off a very angry mentally handicapped fella close too six years back. I can shoot my 9mm and snub .38s rarely now and i turn into a motrin junky for a week afterwards.

Most of my handguns before that were already 22lr so I guess I lucked out on that.
 
I like to shoot .308, but not .30-06, but I enjoy shooting my .458 Winchester Mag. It's about the speed (sharpness) of the recoil as well as the overall force involved
 
What the Army researched and discovered from WWI to the late '50s was that the average human -a draftee, and that includes women - can't handle .30 Ball, either '06 or .308. The recoil is more than they want to handle, over the threshold, and it significantly affects accuracy.

Luckily, there have been amazing advances in buttplate technology since the 1950's :D

My "pain" threshold is at or near my K31, in mere 7.5 Swiss, but the lighter/more powerful Steyr M95 is no problem. 30-06 in my FN49 is cake, as is 308 from my Remington 700. Stock design is as much the issue as anything, in most cases. And some people are more sensitive to recoil speed, than recoil force. Others get done in by muzzle overpressure before anything else (that's me). I prefer a "slow" but heavy push, to a sharp crack that rattles through my bones, as far as rifles are concerned*. I hate having sore eyes and teeth from receiving overpressure pulses off the adjacent shooter's AR or 25-aught-loudenboomer.

I'll be stepping things up to 50 Alaskan in a bit with my M95 rechambering project. That should be quite different. At least I'll be handloading so I'll only shoot what I feel like being kicked by, or paying for :D

TCB

*The faster/louder the better, where pistols are concerned--but they are a whole league below rifles :D
 
A .350 Rem. mag from a Rem. 600 is more than I want.
.350 Rem. mag. in a Rem. 600 was a "bleeder", ie; it didn't just kick, it would make you bleed.

I'm not especially recoil shy, but Greg's .470 NE is just about at my limit.

We spent the weekend at Whittington and I shot 175 rounds of 12 ga. yesterday and today. Seems that's about my limit these days. :(
 
My .45-70 Contender is no longer any use to me. Actually, I found out rather early that even having it Magnaported didn't do much to make it more interesting. I've effectively pronounced it a safe-queen. My .44 Redhawk is the upper limit of what I'll shoot today. 10mm is common, as it's my woods caliber, and .45 ACP is the norm for daily carry. In rifles, probably my heaviest recoiling specimen is a Winchester 94 in .30-30. This is a guess because I have yet to shoot it and my FAL is lighter recoiling than my AR. I don't have any real hunting rifles since I don't hunt. I have shot a .375 H&H mag in the past and don't even want to repeat that. In short I'd have to say for handgun -.44 mag. For rifle, probably .30-06 or 7mm mag. Any more than that would be no fun for me.
 
My S&W 629 8 3/8" .44 Mag is tolerable. My Ruger Vaquero .44 Mag is less tolerable. I'm sure I would not fire a second shot with some handguns, but I've never had one in my hand. I don't enjoy shooting any .44 Mag.

I have a Browning A-Bolt SS LH .300 Win Mag. I bought it new at a gun show when I couldn't find a left handed 7mm. I feared the recoil but was able to develop MOA max loads for elk and really like the rifle. If I ever get to hunt elk again it will be softer shooter - maybe my .270 or 7mm.

The worst recoil I've experienced is from a 12 ga. 3" slug load in a Rem 870. After a few shots I gave the ammo to a buddy shooting an 11-87. That load in my 870 was intolerable.
 
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