Zumboing David Petzal

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Why does all this talk about Zumbo and Petzal have me thinking about those Jumbo Pretzels (with mustard...mmmm)?

Seriously, after rereading Zumbo's original post, Apology I and Apology II, I can't help but thinking "he isn't really THAT ignorant is he?" He's a pretty intelligent writer and plays the "schucks, ah reckon ah need to git out more" bit well, but he dances around the issues everyone is so worked up about so deftly without specifically apologizing or retracting them, my only thought remaining is that this was all pre-meditated. He's not a dumbo, he really wants black rifles banned. Is it not a coincidence that Zumbo's assault on assault weapons comes out just as AWB II is gaining steam, and Zumbo is now defended by a guy that praised AWB I?

I can see a conversation between Petzal and Zumbo:

Zumbo: "Dave? Jimbo here...hey AWB II is coming out and has a chance this time"

Petzal: "Yeah, been a loooong time coming."

Zumbo: "Well, I was thinking of rallying my useful idio...err fans to help get this thing passed by writing a column. Most hunters don't care if we ban assault weapons."

Petzal: "Great idea. I'll back you up with one of mine soon after. It's no big deal, I did this back in '94 and it worked out well"

2 weeks later....

Zumbo: "Dave?"

Petzal: "yes?"

Zumbo: "Jim here. Holy $%#^$^! I'm in deep s$@$@&!"

Petzal: "Yes, you blew it, you old fool, this was supposed to go smoothly. You were supposed to get hunters onboard, not against you. Now I've got to try to clean up your mess. Comrade Feinstein is furious!"
 
Dave Petzel's own words condemn him.

Here's the whole 1994 article. It's worth reading how Petzel and the Fudds would sell us out, and how clearly nothing has changed.

Field & Stream (West ed.), June 1994 v99 n2 p26(2)

Reveille. (gun control laws) David E. Petzal.

THE BUGLE CALL KNOWN AS REVEILLE IS A CHEERFUL, energetic tune that, when I was in the Army, few soldiers actually got to hear. The real reveille was something quite different; it consisted of the NCOIC (noncommissioned officer in charge) snapping on the overhead lights at 4:30 A.M. and slamming a sawed-off broom handle around the inside of a garbage can. That is about the least cheerful experience that you can have, but it wakes you up for fair, and brings you face to face with reality.

Real-world reveille came for gun owners this February in the form of a single sentence buried deep in the 1994 Federal Budget. On page 201 of that document, under the heading "Passing Effective Crime Control Legislation," there is this sentence: "The administration also supports a ban on semiautomatic firearms; limitations on access to handguns by juveniles; and the creation of a crime control fund to pay for eligible crime control initiatives."

The key phrase, the one that turns on the overhead lights and crashes the broom handle around in the GI can, is "a ban on semi-automatic firearms." Not "assault weapons," but semi-automatic firearms. All of them. It is simple English, and there is nothing else it can mean. It means all semi-autos.

It also means that the NRA has been right all along when it warned us that an "assault weapon" bill was only one of a series of steps in a much more ambitious plan to outlaw many types of firearms. If you would like to dismiss the NRA's warning as paranoid and hysterical, you must ignore the fact that the White House has put us on notice: All semi-autos are going to go if the Clinton Administration has its way.

In January, President Clinton included the following in his State of the Union Address to Congress:

"Hunters must always be free to hunt. Law-abiding adults should always be free to own guns and protect their homes. I respect that part of our culture. I grew up in it. . . . But I want to ask the sportsmen and others to join us in this campaign to stop gun violence. I say to you: I know you didn't create this problem, but we need your help to solve it. There is no sporting purpose on earth that should stop the United States Congress from banning assault weapons that out-gun police and cut down children."

Will the real Clinton policy please stand up? Before Congress and the United States, the President said he wants to get rid of assault weapons. In the Federal Budget, it's semi-automatic firearms. Which is the real agenda?

There are a couple of possibilities. One is that some overreaching functionary was confused by the terms "semi-automatic firearm" and "assault weapon" and assumed they were interchangeable. This. is given support by Barry Toiv, a spokesman for the Office of Management and the Budget, who was quoted as follows in the March 14th edition of The Washington Times: "The language in the budget is a mistake. It made its way through without being fixed."

A more likely scenario is somewhat simpler. The Administration wants to ban semi-automatic firearms, judged the political climate to be favorable, and decided to put its intent on the public record, albeit not in a forthright manner.

Let us now consider the legislation submitted to Congress by Senator Diane Feinstein (D/CA). Amendment No. 1152 would, if ratified, be applied to the Omnibus Crime Bill (which was passed late in 1993 by the Senate), and appears to be the type of "reasonable" gun bill that "reasonable" gun owners should support. Amendment 1152 would ban, by name, a number of firearms (or duplicates of same) such as the Colt AR-15, MAC-10 and NRC-11, Galu, Uzi, Street Sweeper, and others of this ilk [e.g., the FN-FAL]. It would also ban guns by description; i.e., firearms that incorporate folding or telescoping stocks, flash suppressors, threaded muzzles, bayonet lugs, grenade launchers, and "conspicuous" pistol grips.

Also included are semi-auto shotguns with magazines that hold more than five rounds, and any large-capacity magazines (tubular magazines for .22 rimfires exempted), which means those that hold more than ten rounds.

The Feinstein Amendment would, upon passage, allow the present owners of proscribed guns to keep them, provided that they obtained and maintained Form 4473s documenting their ownership. However, no new guns of the types described could be bought, sold, or owned by civilians.

The Amendment contains a sunset clause, meaning that it expires after ten years. It also contains a lengthy list of firearms that are exempt. These guns include bolt, pump, and lever-actions, and many semi-automatic rifles and shotguns of the sporting variety.

If you are a gun owner who is looking for the middle ground, it is very hard to argue against legislation such as this. Senator Feinstein, it seems, has made every effort to prescribe "assault weapons" and protect "legitimate firearms."

So what's wrong with supporting--or at least not opposing--this amendment? Perhaps nothing--except that the reveille sounded by the 1994 Federal Budget warns us we can't think of Amendment 1152 as a final step. Anti-gunners see it as an interim measure, paving the way for much wider prohibitions. Sarah Brady, Senator Metzenbaum, and others, have been quite honest about what they have in mind. The Feinstein Amendment is, in their view, just one in a series of steps to outlaw other types of firearms. The next step, without doubt, is handguns. In the lengthy list of "legitimate" guns protected by Amendment 1152, not one handgun is mentioned.

There's more. President Clinton, in a lengthy interview in the December 9, 1993 issue of Rolling Stone was asked by national editor William Greider:

"Is it conceivable that the country. . . could entertain the possibility of banning handguns? Is that a cockamamie idea in your mind? Or is that in the future?"

President Clinton answered: "I don't think the American people are there right now [emphasis mine]. But with more than 200 million guns in circulation, we've got so much more to do on this issue before we reach that. I don't think that's an option now [emphasis mine]. But there are certain kinds of guns that can be banned and a lot of other reasonable regulations that can be imposed. The American people's attitudes are going to be shaped by whether things get better or worse."

You are at liberty to interpret this any way you wish. My interpretation is: "We haven't got the votes for a handgun ban right now. In the future, if I think the votes are there, well go for it."

Judging by the letters we get at Field & Stream, and the people I talk to within the firearms industry, there are many of us who would like to rid the United States of assault weapons. It is true that these weapons account for only a miniscule percentage of armed crime, but the crimes they are used in tend to be horrific.

The classic example of this is the schoolyard massacre in Stockton, California, in 1989, when a deranged man named Patrick Purdy used an AK-47 clone to kill five children and wound twenty-nine others [in fact, most were shot with Purdy's 15-shot, 9mm handgun]. The fact that Purdy was at liberty with a gun of any kind was due to a catastrophic failure of the California justice system, but the question we have to ask is, if Purdy had not had a thirty-shot semi-automatic rifle that was designed for the express purpose of taking human life, would the carnage have been so great?

Much is made about the difficulty involved in defining an "assault weapon." However, firearms such as the AK-47, AKM, Uzi, Street Sweeper, and others [like the Fn-FAL] have two things in common: They are designed for killing people, and they enable a person who is unskilled in the use of firearms to do an extraordinary amount of damage in practically no time at all.

Assault weapons are designed to be produced quickly and cheaply, and in huge numbers. They are designed to operate under conditions that would destroy civilian small arms. They are designed to put out a high volume of fire with a high degree of controllability. It is these characteristics that prevent assault weapons from being us as anything but what they are. (The AR-15/M-16, and the M1A in modified form, are highly accurate, and have a legitimate place in organized target competition.) You can remove the flash suppressors and the bayonet lugs; you can change the shape of the stocks; you can sell "sporting" ammunition for them; but they remain guns for killing people.

Gun owners--all gun owners--pay a heavy price for having to defend the availability of these weapons. The American public--and the gun-owning public; especially the gun-owning public--would be better off without the hardcore military arms, which puts the average sportsman in a real dilemma. We have received a wake-up call that clearly warns us that gun ownership is under siege. On the other hand, the public at large has been sent another kind of reveille: that guns are the root of most present-day evil, and the NRA is somehow to blame for the guns.

MOST AMERICANS HAVE LITTLE FAITH IN THE promises that politicians make, and with reason. Most gun owners are uneasy about making concessions of any kind, and with reason. But it may be time to consider shifting from an absolute opposition to any ban on any guns to an effort to get lawmakers to include a guarantee that will safeguard our handguns, and other arms--something not subject to the whims of the BATF or the Secretary of the Treasury or Sarah Brady. If the Feinstein Amendment included a list of "protected" handguns, and did away with its prohibition on magazines that hold more than ten shots, that would be something for us to think about. If Senator Fienstein is willing to meet gun owners halfway, we should think about her amendment very hard indeed.

For at some point we must face the fact that an Uzi or an AKM or an Ak-47 should no more be generally available than a Claymore mine or a block of C4 explosive. It is time for these guns to be limited to people with Treasury Department licenses, just as with fully automatic arms. I doubt if anyone would suffer much without assault weapons. Surely, we will suffer with them.

Petzel, who believes this Brady Campaign propaganda needs to join Zumbo on the trash heap of FORMER "gun writers."
 
Bravo, Arthur. I like it.

All of this has reminded me of a news story I was shocked to read from England over a year ago, story is http://www.macclesfield-express.co.uk/news/s/209/209039_why_was_he_even_charged.html Here.

Here is the crux of the matter:

The 51-year-old ex-Special Forces soldier – who landed in Knutsford Crown Court dock as a result of a violent doorstep altercation with two complete strangers – was unanimously cleared of a firearms offence at the end of a four day trial.

Read the article, but in short, here is the story. Mr. Colin Tattersall was cleaning a starters pistol (you know bang, go!) when two thugs with long criminal records banged on his door. He went to see what was up and was attacked by the two thugs, who during HIS four day trial verbally threatened HIM in the courtroom. Mr. Tattersall had the expense and mental anguish that comes from a trial merely from the actions he took to defend himself.

That story and many others I have read are what is to come if we don't yank the Petzals and Zumbos back into line. I had an altercation on the telephone with my best friend yesterday regarding "automatic" weapons, and "high capacity" magazines. I plan to e-mail him every day to educate him. Every day.

We have to pull our hunting brethren into the fight for the second amendment. Divided we will turn into defenseless Brits.
 
But I never said appeasement or even compromise, I said education

Sometimes the best education comes as a result of a good a** whuppin'.

Seriously, though, Zumbo knows all about the Brady Campaign and HCI. He knows that their goal is more than just the removal of EBRs and handguns. He knows all this because of his 40+ years of being a gun writer, and living through the period of idiocy forced on us by the AWB of '94.

His rant on OL's web site, I believe, was an attempt to smooch the behinds of the Brady Bunch and the weasels in Congress; to sell out the EBR owners so that the BB wouldn't go after his precious deer rifle.

Don't you find it rather interesting that the blog that did him in was written days after H.R. 1022 was proposed?
 
The 50 Best Guns Ever Made

Alright I am not changing my mind but this is an absolute side splitter:

He has "The 50 Best Guns Ever Made" on his website.
http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/photogallery/article/0,13355,1026288_9,00.html

Not one semiauto military firearm, no M-16, no M4, No M1A, M14, M1, M1, 1911, M9, Garand, SMLE, nothing nada, zip, zilch. You really think you can fight this kind of ignorance?

The closest he has is an 870 Pump and a Mod 94 30-30.

I laughed so hard I almost cried
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Titan

In reality, no, I don't think we'll win. Most Americans today have no concept of what freedom really is, and what it takes to keep it. Many of those who do have a clue are in Iraq, or dying in the VA hosipitals and nursing homes after almost 100 years of life.

That said, it sure is fun to try!
 
Thank you for posting this. The Internet was a much smaller "place" then than it is now, and I didn't / don't read that magazine, so I've never seen this.

The phrase "aid and comfort" comes to mind. You can just see the folks at HCI / VPC / Guns'R'Bad, Mmmkay! copying and pasting that into their propaganda in 1994. FWIW, I rejoined the GOA yesterday, in anticipation of the same fallout in 2007 from Zumbo's remake of that same song.

THR is a great resource!
 
The point that is missed, but touched upon so very briefly in this article, is the notion of "semi automatic weapons designed to take human life" or something to that effect. Though it isn't 'politically correct,' people need to get over the fact that, yes, certain firearms are indeed designed to take human life, that's what they're for, and there is a very good reason for that. And the second amendment covers that very good reason.

The second amendment does not cover the 'right of hunters to hunt,' which may well be a noble right but isn't spelled out in the constitution anywhere. What is spelled out is the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Not tools, not sporting equipment, arms for defense of country and liberty.

Yes, there are guns that are good for killing. People need to step over their egoes and get over this fact, because this fact is precisely what protects these same peoples' rights to whine and moan about whatever they don't like that isn't McDonald's or Football.

The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting. Gun rights have nothing to do with hunting. The hunting issue and "sporting arms" issue is a red herring that may or may not be designed to divide and weaken us but is doing a pretty good job besides.

Hunting has more in common with football than it does with personal and collective liberty, and the ideals this nation was founded on.

(Yes, I realize the term "red herring" has its roots in hunting. The peanut gallery may remain silent on this point, thank you.)
 
Just posted on Petzal's blog:

Dave,

Your 1994 article entitled

"Reveille. (gun control laws) David E. Petzal." Was just posted on The High Road.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=3141571#post3141571

I will try to repeat a comment which was left on Zumbo's blog before it was pulled down:

"See that blinking light on your keyboard. That is your career light, blinking out"

Have a nice retirement.
 
I posted a response on the F&S website:

"Mr. Petzal sounds just like Mr. Zumbo when he repeats the "sporting purpose" argument. I think this is the key to the uproar. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with "sporting purposes", this is a chimera dreamt up by the gun control crowd in order to make banning some firearms more acceptable to a greater number of people. The fact that two prominent gun writers embrace this argument is very disturbing. Even more disturbing is fellow gun owners likening other gun owners to terrorists and mental patients.
Both Zumbo and Petzal are sounding more like Sarah Brady than gun owners (I'm also thinking of Petzal's 1994 article embracing the assault weapons ban).

I have no need of a "black rifle" but I sure don't want them banned. The "Brady Bunch" are talking about banning scoped high power rifles, like the ones Zumbo and Petzal are so fond of, next; only in Brady terminology they are "sniper rifles". Can we look forward to a column by Mr. Petzal on the evils of "sniper rifles" in civilian hands soon?"


I urge others to let Petzal know what they think, but let's keep it civil, please. We don't need to give the Bradys more to work with.
 
Though it isn't 'politically correct,' people need to get over the fact that, yes, certain firearms are indeed designed to take human life,

precisely, we've conditioned ourselves to be wimps. The trouble is some people don't grasp the concept of justifiable homicide.
 
So are we going to get this field clown fired also, or what?

No, I don’t think so. It doesn’t look like the same outrage. But maybe we should try. While this phrase is the Big Brother Bogie Man he wants us to cower in fear of:

A United States in which someone can be ruined for voicing an unpopular opinion is a dangerous place.

It’s this phrase we should demand he “restate”:

Through his tireless efforts as a teacher and lecturer on hunting and hunting skills, he has done more for the sport than any 250 of the yahoos who called for his blood.

That’s the problem Dave. He did a lot for the “sport” but flushed the Constitution that even makes that sport possible down the toilet! I don’t care if he’s educated a million hunters. If he’s going to instill that kind of useless “take them and leave me alone” attitude in hunters, then he deserves to be shown the door. And so does anyone who doesn’t see the connection between ALL GUNS and the Second Amendment.

Those 250 “yahoos” are trying to make sure you keep your darn precious “sport” Dave! If you don’t see that there is no hope for you.

So I wish we would get him at least crawfishing. But I don’t see the anger here. Maybe it’s just because it’s Friday? Maybe we’re still full for our Zumbo Rump Roast. Who knows?
 
I think the massive ragefest against Zumbo has been EBR shooters’ way of retaliating against YEARS of having been treated like the red-headed step-child of the so-called “shooting community”.

I have seen too many posts by shooters of being harassed and insulted by other gun owners who look down their nose at us.

Many of us have carried combat rifles in service to our country, and resent being called terrorists. Many of us are hunters, and if we have just one or two rifles, we may have an AK or an FAL. We abide by the laws, and are told that “OUR KIND” doesn’t belong in “THEIR” woods, with “THOSE KIND” of rifles.

We are sometimes literally SCREAMED AT by ignorant elitist snobs about the characteristics of our firearms. But the sad fact is, that our “brothers” neither know a thing about our equipment, nor about our character, nor about the wider issues of law, rights, and the issue of freedom, which is ultimately at stake.

There are very few EBR shooters who wish harm to hunters, wish their sport to be restricted or banned, but the “hunters” out there who favor bans, prohibitions on US are LEGION.

What the Clinton ban achieved was to induce probably MILLIONS of people including people who NEVER owned a gun before, to buy the forbidden fruit of military style firearms, and they discovered that, by golly, state of the art auto loaders are accurate, fun, suitable for hunting or home defense, and a lot more fun than grandpa’s bolt action.

Probably THOUSANDS of people bagged their first, and possibly only deer with a cheap $99 SKS.

I don’t mean to instigate conflict with the “sport” shooters, but I refuse to be treated like a thug by other shooters. I have never shot anything but paper, and I am treated like a murdering sociopath, by so-called hunters who seem addicted to killing animals for no other reason than to kill.

I will not smile lamely when prominent “shooting” writers tell defamatory lies about us, and use their prominence and reputation to instigate a social and political divorce and make a deal with the Brady’s, Kennedy’s, and Clintons to sell my rights down the river, in the foolish hope that the “respectable” sport shooters will be left alone.

In my opinion, the hard core proponants of the 2nd Amendment have been doing the heavy lifting in fighting off political attacks by the gun-banners, and the "sport" shooters have been mostly oblivious to the struggle, and rolled their eyes at us, as far back as I can remember.

Zumbo believed that he could malign us with impunity, because his priviliges were secure, and our influence was negligible.

He was mistaken.

I am convinced that the Clinton ban would never had been passed, if the hunters and sport shooters had not been CONVINCED to pitch us over the side. Petzal sided with the anti freedom gang before, and it looks like he's doing it again.

The political predators are coming back, with another gun ban for us. They figure that the elitist leaders in the sporting community will be able to hoodwink the bubbas again, and nibble more of our freedoms away.

The gun-banners have been dedicated to disarming American citizens for 70 years. What do they plan to do, when you can no longer resist them in any way?

There are several major differences, now….

Millions of Americans now own military style firearms. Millions of Americans now can carry a concealed pistol for self defense.

Those people will not readily surrender their rights, their safety, or their property when they are suddenly made criminals by legislative fiat.

We are now networked together with the internet. We have much more power to act, together, than we ever did.

The so-called shooting community is choosing sides. Not hunters and battle rifle shooters, but people who understand that it is all about freedom, and short sighted selfish people, who care only about themselves.

The Quislings are willing to sell out the rest of us because they buy the false promise that they will be left alone.

We have a battle coming up.

Choose your side wisely.

--Travis--
 
People like Mr. Petzel "care so much about gun rights" that they would actively work to deny lawful arms to law abiding citizens.

These folks appear to true Second Amendment defenders as how a "hunting sympathetic" PETA member would appear to the hunting community when writing how all animal interaction that wasn't "catch and release" should be banned for the sake of real hunting.

And yet they are filled with bewilderment and chastisement toward our reaction to the open calls for the force of (unconstitutional) law to strip us of our lawfully owned arms?
 
I didn't feel like sifting through the other letters so I don't know if this was mentioned, but this guy basically pulled a Charles Lindbergh. CL was the hero of aviation, then he started bitching about Jews, tried to turn himself around after people were revolted, but never quite made it back. Same thing with Zumbo. Great hunter (so I gather), makes a damaging crack about AWs, loses most of the respect people have for him and most of his career. He screwed up big, he hurt us in the process, good riddance!
 
Those people will not readily surrender their rights, their safety, or their property when they are suddenly made criminals by legislative fiat.
Bravo, Travis, Bravo. I truly enjoy your posts. They are insightful, intelligent, and you think just like me on most things
 
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