1911. Still the best pistol ever made?

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Oh I get it, torture tests are only relevant for GLOCK and SIG and H&K but not 1911's?

Did I mention torture tests for other firearms?...

I'm not disparaging the 1911, I'm disparaging the so-called test...

Glocks at least had a 100,000 round torture... has the 1911?

It's like the guys who shoot 3 rounds and get MOA. To have a semblance of statistical significance, try 10 rounds, or better yet, 30. Then measure mean, variance, etc.
 
I've been around the block on autopistols more than once. Started with war surplus 1911A1s owned by my father and uncles, went through the wundernine trend, have dabbled heavily with all manner of "tactical plastic" and have come full circle to the 1911A1. I actually have called them "1911A1 patterned pistols," as they come in so many flavors riffing off of the original design.

From the OP:

1. The 1911 as it is commonly viewed today is NOT the same 1911 that John Browning designed. In short, I do not buy this whole "100 years of history" nonsense. Now, you can argue that the evolution of the 1911 has resulted in an improvement over the original design, and depending on the specific thing your talking about, I can buy that. However, a Nighthawk Custom 1911 (for example) is about as similar to a "real" 1911 as an F150 is to a Model T.

I view this "point" as a very minor one. Any 1911A1 patterned pistol that is built well benefits from nearly a century of trial and error and debugging. Some deviations, like Kimber's recent external extractor fiasco, see the market calling the deviance to an end.

2. Going with that argument, there are plenty of pistols that have enough years behind them to be proven, tested designs. The CZ-75 immediately comes to mind. Rugers P-series. Sig 220. The Beretta 92 (M9). Glocks. These are just the ones that I can think of off the top of my head, but each of them has been around at least 20 years now, and if that isn't enough time to figure out that they work, I don't know what is.

But which would you rather have, a Beretta 92 or a Taurus "copy?" A CZ-75B or a Tanfoglio clone? Many 1911A1 fans will not buy a substandard example no matter who made it, and people studied in the nuances of the design very rarely wind up with lemons.

3. Custom shop pistols are nice. No doubt about it, a Wilson or a Baer is a great thing. However, from a value standpoint, they don't add up. Why spend $2500.00 on something when you can spend a third that on a different gun that will work just as well, be just as accurate, and will very likely have most, if not all, the same attributes that made 1911's popular to begin with (grip angle, cocked and locked carry). For the shortcomings (factory triggers being a good example), a gunsmith can work out the kinks and you will still be money ahead. Pride of ownership is an acceptable argument, and I am certainly not telling anyone how to spend their money. Still, from just a basic economic point of view, most custom pistols are over-priced to one degree or another.

As noted earlier in the thread custom level cash need not be spent to get a perfectly operating 1911A1 pattern pistol with a trigger that no other design even begins to touch as far as speed and ease of putting lead on target fast. Any other pistol using a hinged triggering system has lost before it starts.

4. Sights. Again, taking custom pistols out of the equation, most modern pistols are better than the 1911 on several fronts, with decent sights being the most major factor I can think of. Custom guns obviously negate this argument. But, going off the original design, the sights, the fit and finish, the trigger, and out of box accuracy are all sub-par compared with most pistols today.

Another non-factor. Stakings and dovetails have been available on even plain vanilla 1911A1 pattern pistols for decades now. Almost everyone's sights on any $400.00+ duty pistol beats the ever living hell out of Glock's standard plastic sights.

5. Grip angle. I mentioned it above, but I think that we can agree that there are plenty of pistols available today that have the same grip angle as the 1911.

Grip angle yes, flatness and adaptability to different hand sizes through a combination of being able to customize the grip safety, the mainspring housing, the grips, and the trigger reach? Not so much.

6. Capacity and caliber. I will not say that the 1911's capacity is an issue. If your comfortable with it, then what do I care? My carry pistol is a 5-shot revolver, so I obviously am not going to argue that 7 rounds isn't enough. What I will say is that from a logical standpoint, more rounds are better, at least in my opinion. The first one may do the job, but it just makes sense to me that having 14 more tries is superior to 6 more tries. There is a limit, in my mind, as to the usefulness of hi-cap mags. I think that those 50 round .45 mags are kind of dumb, and I think they throw things off. A 14 round mag seems about right. As far as caliber goes, I am a big believer in the .45acp round. Some of the pistols I mentioned above are not .45's, and that is not in their favor in my view. Then again, I enjoy shooting 9mm, and I own several. In the end, I guess I am saying that caliber aside, those pistols are as good if not superior to the 1911. If you want to factor in caliber, then that is only true of some of them.

More rounds are not better if they compromise carrying and shooting factors. I'd rather have the single stack 1911A1 than all of the double column pigs I have had to try and conceal over the years. The magazines are correspondingly thinner too.

The only other caliber worthy of being put into a 1911A1 frame is a full house 10mm. Sure the 9mm and the .38 Super have been chambered as well, but those aren't all that and a bag of chips with the exception of newer "shrink wrapped" 1911A1 pattern pistols built around the dimensions of the 9mm.

7. Accessories. There are tons of holsters, mags, lights, grips and other assorted doodads around for pistols that are not 1911's. This is not necessarily always true, and if you don't believe me, try tacticalizing your .22 rifle that isn't a 10-22. It's hard to do. In the case of the 1911 and it's competitors, there is no shortage of customization opportunities.

Go ahead and name one other pistol out there wherein EVERY part on it can be custom specified. From the frame, to the slide, to the barrel, to the small parts, every piece of a 1911A1 has a stable of competitors for your parts business. I have a Series 70 Colt Government that is my SHTF pistol because every part on it can be commonly replaced or successfully cannibalized from most other 1911A1 patterned pistols, without tools, and in most cases with no individual fitting required. Even when presented with a Kimber, I can frankengraft about 80+% of its parts into the Colt. With other Series 70s type pistols, such as Springfield Armory models, that percentage jumps to just about everything but the firing pin and the barrel.

8. Accuracy. Even including custom guns, there are plenty of 1911 competitors around that can equal or exceed the accuracy of the average 1911. That is not even up for argument, in my opinion.

This forum is replete with tales from wondergun shooters who have had eye-opening range sessions with the 1911A1 and an open mind. It is not that 1911A1 pattern pistols are necessarily more accurate, they are just on average easier to shoot well and fast.

To conclude, I will say that the 1911 is a good gun, and if you want one, then go for it. I like mine just fine, and I have no plans to get rid of it. I will say that I no longer believe (if I ever did) that it is the finest pistol ever made. For it's day, yes. Hands down, the 1911 was the best combat pistol in the world from it's conception up until about 1975 or so. No argument that it is still a great choice as a combat pistol. I am just simply saying that I don't buy that it is the BEST choice anymore. It very well may be that it is the best choice for you, but don't try to convince me that it is the the equivalent of the holy grail, because I just don't think thats true anymore.

Someone will have to show me the weapon that has supplanted it as the best. People who shoot for keeps tend to have 1911A1s when they could clearly buy any "better" pistol.

PS: I have yet to see a Glock, an HK, a Walther, or an XD, that has been involved in serious extended combat. Breathless tales of performance in lab tests fails to impress. The SIG 226, 228, and the Beretta M9 get a pass as they have actually "been there and done that" with armies that actually fight.

In fact, save for the FMJ 9mm rounds they would be saddled with, I'd be perfectly comfortable with a SIG or a Beretta on my hip. I wouldn't be able to detail strip them without several punches and perhaps a plastic bag handy for inadvertant loss of annoyingly small parts, but I'd trust them to operate.

Just as I would trust 1911A1 pattern pistols I have personally wrung out.
 
Ok here is my opion if I had to put my life on a bone stock off the self pistol it would go in this order. This is from years of owning these. I owned 1911's all Colts and loved them but most are not off the self reliable. (hours spent bending mag lips, polishing ramps and so on to feed HPs to make them reliable)

1 Glock
2 Ruger P series
3 CZ
4 S&W Weelgun
 
I'm sorry. . . . .

I didn't aim to hit a nerve with my previous post. Evidently you missed the part where I said whatever floats your boat is O.K. by me. Apparently you also missed the part where I said if you don't like the choir at the church of John Moses Browning by all means find a congregation that sings your tune. Unfortunately you also seemed to miss the part where I said that the Browning .45 ACP, Model of 1911( do I really need to mention the A1 and subsequent variants?) is the most purchased, carried, copied and yes, proven handgun design of THE LAST ONE HUNDRED YEARS. You are welcome to your opinion but the fact remains ( provable by a modicum of research ) that my final assertion is true. Purchased by more governments as well as private individuals, carried by more soldiers and civilians, copied ( Licensed copies and variants by Argentina, Canada, Norway and Poland. Unlicensed copies since the patents expired by China and the Phillipines and every company currently manufacturing the 1911 or variants of same) and yes, proven by millions of users in every environment on earth over the last century to be one of the finest tools of its kind ever devised. 'Nuff said. :cool:
 
Well, First off, read my posts. I wasn't trying to take the 1911 off it's throne as much as I was simply saying I don't know that it deserves a throne to begin with. I also made it quite clear that I think it is a fine pistol. For gods sake, I OWN ONE!!!

Now, to some responses, all of which answer Boat's points.

1. The 100 years of history argument is not a minor point. A Wilson Combat pistol is not the same as a Remington Rand, no matter their common lineage. You will notice that I said that some of the changes were bad, and that some were good. It's an evolving platform, which is not the same as a platform that has experienced very little in the way of evolution, like the BHP.

2. As it happens, I choose a Taurus 99.

3. I still don't think that you need to spend upwards of two grand on a pistol, but I can accept the argument. I disagree that there is absolutely no other pistol faster, but thats a fairly minor point.

4. You sort of justified what I was saying when you said that almost anyones $400.00 duty pistol sights beat the Glocks. Almost anyones $400.00 duty pistol beats the original design's sights too. Sure, you can replace them, but with most modern pistols you don't need to.

5. Well, your points are valid, but subjective. Thats why I specifically mentioned grip angle and not the rest of the things you said. That the grip angle has been replicated on so many pistols proves it's good. That the other dimensions are great is purely subjective, although as it happens I agree with you that they are very nice.

6. Well, again, my point was subjective, and your response was subjective. However, you didn't say capacity was bad, just that it was hard to achieve without being uncomfortable to you. I can (perhaps incorrectly) assume that if somehow you could fit more rounds into the space, you would be for it. TO be honest, I wish I hadn't even brought caliber into the equation, because my focus in this argument was design, not caliber. I have no desire to debate the pros and cons of calibers, other than to say I am a big fan of .45's, but that I also shoot 9mm and .357.

7. I would think that I could point at darn near any pistol and get a custom part for it somewhere. It's a function of demand that puts the 1911 on the top of that list, and demand isn't necessarily the greatest measure of whats best or whats not best.

8. I think you mistook my point on accuracy. I was saying that the other guns lived up to the 1911's reputation for accuracy, not that they easily eclipsed it. I will point out that the original design was not held as the most accurate handgun ever made, but I think that what it lacked in accuracy it made up for in reliability.

To your points on my conclusion, I think we more or less agree with each other, although I would point out that a Beretta is about the easiest gun to take down there is, and there are not a whole bunch of small parts to worry about. In fact, I can't think of a single small part to worry about! I would also point out that people that tend to shoot for keeps often don't have a choice in what they shoot. Cops, who actually might need to shoot for keeps, are just as likely to choose a Glock or an XD as they are a 1911, providing they can choose what they carry. Soldiers are not as lucky. This isn't to say that your wrong, because I clearly said that the 1911 might be the best choice as much as it is to say that it isn't 100% right.

Folks, my goal here wasn't to insult anyones favorite handgun. I am merely saying that there is a line between myth and fact, and the 1911 is just a pistol. It's not magical, it's a mechanical device. It happens to be a very well designed mechanical device, but thats still all it is. There are other very well designed mechanical devices that will do the same thing just as well. I am also not claiming at any point that there is a "best" choice. In fact, thats sort of the very heart of my point! There is not a "best" choice, as much as there are several very good choices. That the 1911 is one of several good choices isn't meant to demean the design or John Browning.
 
Where I'm at with the 1911 is that it is a nice gun that looks pretty, but needs to be cleaned every hundred rounds or so. This way it not only stays pretty but also won't jam every other round.:neener:

I appreciate that the design has been around for nearly a hundred years as a combat arm. I appreciate that the design has a huge nostalgia-thing going on with it. Neither of those things make it the best gun out there. When the 1911 was first adopted as a military sidearm, it was the top of the line. It is not anymore. Really, we are talking about a handgun that would go into the trenches with you, not just a street gun, because what happens if it does come down to crawling through the mud, or shooting at more than one hostile?

I want a 1911 myself, either a Springfield TRP, a Wilson KZ45, or if I were rich- a Nighthawk GRP II. But, as a carry gun, that might possibly end up being dropped, or rolled on top of in the mud, give me an HK USP, or a Glock. I know without a doubt that even right out of the box, those guns will go bang every time.

Also when it comes down to the most popular pistol of those that can carry what they want in combat these days- read PMCs. My understanding is that the Glock is the hands down favorite.
 
IMO, the 1911 may not be the be all, end all but it is the most versatile & most flexible there is. Yeah, it is an acquired taste we all try at least once, yeah it is capable be a miriad of adjustments and it has proven itself over the years....but the 1911 is a favorite of many for a reason ;)
 
Where I'm at with the 1911 is that it is a nice gun that looks pretty, but needs to be cleaned every hundred rounds or so. This way it not only stays pretty but also won't jam every other round.

Too bad, you can shoot mine if you want...they're filthy and are still running like champs.
 
1. The 100 years of history argument is not a minor point. A Wilson Combat pistol is not the same as a Remington Rand, no matter their common lineage.

This is the one statement which seems to be a paradox in the argument of most 1911 detractors. For example, if a Kimber Ultra or the Springfield EMP malfunctions, it is a 1911 problem, and not a deviation of the orignal. Yet, if a Wilson or an Ed Brown show the other end of the spectrum then those are not real 1911's, but a different handgun altogether.



7. I would think that I could point at darn near any pistol and get a custom part for it somewhere. It's a function of demand that puts the 1911 on the top of that list, and demand isn't necessarily the greatest measure of whats best or whats not best.

Surely, you do not really believe that any other auto handgun is supported by parts manufacturers as much as the 1911.

I'm not sure just what does put the 1911 on the top then. Is the American buying public that stupid? Have we all been that duped?

In response to a common argument (not necessarily your's) that the 1911 is slower to field strip, so what? I have yet to hear or read of a report where a soldier or police officer was killed, because he couldn't get his 1911 back into action after disassembly. Now what is really nice is the detail strip of a 1911 in comparison to other autos.
 
Having just purchased my first 1911 (a base RIA) I couldn't be happier. I wanted something close to the weapon my dad so dearly spoke of. I intend to leave it as is and shoot the hell out of it. As a former LEO, if the 1911 proves to be as reliable as it seems to be so far,I fully understand the affection the 1911 has built in it's followers over the years.A 1911 would be the last pistol I would want to face in a fight in the hands of an expert.
 
It is slower to field strip

In response to a common argument (not necessarily your's) that the 1911 is slower to field strip, so what? I have yet to hear or read of a report where a soldier or police officer was killed, because he couldn't get his 1911 back into action after disassembly. Now what is really nice is the detail strip of a 1911 in comparison to other autos.

But try detail stripping a glock or HK or Beretta and reassembling as fast. The 1911 can be taken down to the frame with a screw driver an punch (or a nail or strudy stick if you must)

Just a after thought
 
Surely, you do not really believe that any other auto handgun is supported by parts manufacturers as much as the 1911.

Parts availability has nothing to do with the quality of a pistol, Glock has the greatest parts availability of all the polymer pitols, does that make it the best plastic pistol? No it just means that it's popular enough to have a parts industry spring up around it.

Also who worries about things breaking when your pistol has less then 40 parts. And many of those parts are interchangeable among the pistols.

I'm not sure just what does put the 1911 on the top then. Is the American buying public that stupid? Have we all been that duped?

Yes the American buying public is that stupid. Look at the Desert Eagle, the S&W 29, and even the classic Walther PPK. All three are fine pistols but their purchase rate has been increased because of looks or media exposure.

The 1911 sells well for a few reasons, it's a damn fine pistol, it's an American icon, and the fan base surrounding it. Look at the writings of the many 1911 fans, you would think that the 1911 was handed down to John Browning by God. In many gun shops you have clerks that chant the usual 1911 and .45 mantra.

Finally the 1911s are popular with competitions for a simple reason, the rules are tilted toward it. IPSC favors the tricked out STIs, and IDPA favors the externally stock 1911s.
 
Parts availability has nothing to do with the quality of a pistol, Glock has the greatest parts availability of all the polymer pitols, does that make it the best plastic pistol? No it just means that it's popular enough to have a parts industry spring up around it.

Generally, that size of the following dictates the support industries, i.e. parts, gunsmiths, literature, etc. Therefore, I believe your idea of cause and effect is in reverse. And yes, that does at least in part mean that Glock is one of the best plastics around. I am a big 1911 fan, but I have nothing really against newer designs. Glock makes a fine pistol.


Yes the American buying public is that stupid. Look at the Desert Eagle, the S&W 29, and even the classic Walther PPK. All three are fine pistols but their purchase rate has been increased because of looks or media exposure.

If you are truely following handgun trends, then you must realize that the above mentioned handguns are in the decline for sales and therefore interest. The 1911 on the other hand, has increased substantially, especailly in the last twenty years. That's the difference.


The 1911 sells well for a few reasons, it's a damn fine pistol, it's an American icon, and the fan base surrounding it. Look at the writings of the many 1911 fans, you would think that the 1911 was handed down to John Browning by God. In many gun shops you have clerks that chant the usual 1911 and .45 mantra.

You know, at first you seem to argue against the validity of the 1911's prowless, and then you give it praise. I'm not sure which way the wind is blowing. As far as the 1911 being handed down to JMB by God, that is just something we 1911 fans joke about. I think it actually went to Jesus first, and then to JMB.:rolleyes:


Finally the 1911s are popular with competitions for a simple reason, the rules are tilted toward it. IPSC favors the tricked out STIs, and IDPA favors the externally stock 1911s.

There is now enough recognition and money in the handgun shooting sports that any major competitor would gladly switch to another platform, if it were advantagous. There are other so called icons that have fallen from grace in competition, and once such fine weapon is the M1A/M14. AR's are dominating the matches to such an extent that Springfield has decided to sponser an "M1A Only" match at Camp Perry. I think I have that right. Nevertheless, when an icon falls from grace, it simply falls, and is replaced. This has yet to happen to the 1911. And when it does, I'll keep my 1911's, but I will move on with the better handgun.
 
No I don't have the cause and effect reversed, the Glock is a popular pistol so it has a parts industry spring up around it, and that is exactly what I said.

Yes most of those pistols are in declining trends, because they are no longer actively featured in the media anymore. I also don't think that 1911 sales are increasing, at least based on what I have seen, they seem to be about the same.

I never said that the 1911 isn't a good pistol, I said it's not the end be all of pistols that many people claim it is.

There is now enough recognition and money in the handgun shooting sports that any major competitor would gladly switch to another platform, if it were adventagous.

If it were advantageous, you have to win to keep those sponsors coming, and in many competitions the 1911 is the best pistol because of the way the rules were crafted. Sure you can shoot IDPA with a Glock or any other pistol, but based on the rules I would say that a steel framed pistol is the best pistol for most of it's categories.
 
I see threads like this all the time. I have been buying, shooting and loving the 1911 since I was about 17 so here is my take.

For ME it IS the best pistol in the world, and as such, the best design in the world for a pistol. Heres why,

I can't shoot anything else as well except for the Glock and I think it is ugly, and inherently dangerous, now as far as being dangerous that is my FEELING so it to me is true no matter how many people can vouch for it's supposed safety record, and or design. I'll say this, the only AD I have ever had was on a range, by myself, with my first glock, a model G22...I shot it very well, hated the way it looked, and sold it to buy yet another 1911. But the thing was "the gun I had an AD with" so it went. In the 30 years I have owned, shot, and competed in local comps with 1911's and the umpteen millions of rounds out of them from my own hand, I have never had a malfunction not ammo or mag related, or an AD with a 1911. And, I shoot them better than ANY other pistol. I owned an M9, really a 92AF as well, and sold it because for me it didn;t shoot well. A lot of pistol ownership is personal prefernce. Mine runs to 1911's and revolvers. I do have a few other autos, but they are "novelty" guns to me, like my PPK, PPKs, P22.
 
Another thing Ijust thought about, the poster mentioned "an end all pistol" in my opinion, that means tht if the stuff came down what one pistol would you choose to be at your side to keep you alive thru the up-comming holocoust? Me, no absolutely no comparason, the 1911 of course without a further thought. So, for me, that IS the be all end all pistol.
 
My friend, I won't take this thread any further, because I don't wish to see it degrade. But you almost sound as though you think there is a conspirocy to keep the 1911 popular. And you really don't think that the sales of the 1911 have increased in the last 20 years as I had stated above? And you think that the 629 and PPK/S are not popular because the media no longer writes about it? Concerning your last statement, I siimply ask you to reference my comment about the M1A. I believe it to be valid.
 
1. The 100 years of history argument is not a minor point. A Wilson Combat pistol is not the same as a Remington Rand, no matter their common lineage. You will notice that I said that some of the changes were bad, and that some were good. It's an evolving platform, which is not the same as a platform that has experienced very little in the way of evolution, like the BHP.

The Browning has underwent changes in manufacturing techniques, safety design, sight design, extractor designs and even alloys (as some lightweight Brownings exist). The Browning is also the subject of significant 'smithing efforts.

Basically, the Browning has underwent the same "evolutionary" changes as the 1911 has.
 
it has

Nevertheless, when an icon falls from grace, it simply falls, and is replaced. This has yet to happen to the 1911.

Do you remember the late 80's to the early 90's when the "wonder 9" thing was in full swing? for about ten years the 1911 (and all single stacks and CCW type revolvers) were shunned because they didn't hold 17 rounds. Then the AWB happened and folks thought "why should I have 10 rounds of 9mm instead of 8 rounds of 45?". I think that this was in large part responsible for the rebirth of the 1911.
 
And you think that the 629 and PPK/S are not popular because the media no longer writes about it?

No I think they are no longer popular because they aren't featured in movies. Both are novelty guns for most of the buying public.

I don't think it's a conspiracy, but I do think it's a combination of factors that keeps the 1911 popular in this day in age. And I listed those factors above.

Concerning your last statement, I siimply ask you to reference my comment about the M1A. I believe it to be valid.

Rifle competitions don't have the complex rule sets that make one design nearly as good as another due to rules. The rules of ESP allow the 1911 to artificially compete with the double stack shooters, and CDP is written for the 1911.

Add in the fact that the 1911 is design that anyone can get their hands on and improve you have design with staying power in the competition arena.


Another thing Ijust thought about, the poster mentioned "an end all pistol" in my opinion, that means tht if the stuff came down what one pistol would you choose to be at your side to keep you alive thru the up-comming holocoust?

That's your opinion many people state their opinions as fact. Most of us are saying get off your high horse, the 1911 is a great pistol, but it's not the best because the best pistol is the one keeping you alive at that moment.

During that holocaust 45 might be hard to come by where as 9mm is common, at that moment the best pistol in the world would be Hi-point as long as I had ammo and it went bang every time I pulled the trigger.
 
" Finally the 1911s are popular with competitions for a simple reason, the rules are tilted toward it. IPSC favors the tricked out STIs, and IDPA favors the externally stock 1911s."

Actually, 1911's are prohibited from the largest growing category in IPSC...production. A Glock can compete in production plus all the "1911" categories.

The 1911 is popular because of the trigger pull, feel, etc...not because of the rules. You are getting the "cart before the horse".

What rules are crafted to favor the 1911?
 
If you are collecting design patterns the 1911 belongs in your Gun Collection.
If you are collecting Historic weapons the 1911 belongs in your collection.
If you are collecting "Working" guns you need the 1911 in your collection.
Working guns meaning guns that you will use as they are designed to be used, SD/Paper Punching/Duty/Carry
I'm not saying it is the ONLY working gun in your Working collection or that is the Primary gun in a working collection, all I am saying is that it belongs there.
 
The "resurgence" of the 1911A1 had more to do with concealed carry reform laws than it did with the AWB. Both trends were concurrent.

1911A1s are popular carry guns because they are flat. They are designed around the .45ACP cartridge and not the need for a DA trigger, or a squared off ejection port for lock up.

Single stacks in general and snubbies both made a comeback during the CCW wave. The duty sized double stackers suffer from concealability problems for many folks.

It's not as if it was tremendously time consuming or expensive to come up with at least two standard capacity magazines during the AWB--if you really wanted them, especially for old standbys like the Beretta 92, SIG 226, or the Glock 17.

Next to no one I know of is into the daily hiding of a Beretta 92FS, a SIG 226, a Glock 17, or a full size HK USP. People do it, but they also tend to keep looking for something else to carry. Some have even marveled at how/why anyone carries a heavier, longer, Government Model. It's easy because it's flat and the mags are shrink wrapped around the ACP round.

Full size double stacks are not size efficient for concealed carry, being long, tall, and fat through the grip and slide and featuring fat magazines for a reload too.

The expiration of the AWB hasn't exactly marked the death knell of the 1911A1 or snub nosed revolver's popularity because of their inherent capacity constraints.
 
Am I in love with the 1911? Not especially. Then why is it that I carry one around with me all the time?

A number of reasons:
1. Slim profile makes for easy concealment.
2. .45 ACP
3. Almost the ideal platform for controlling the .45 ACP, while still being concealable. The forty five is an easy round to shoot well, when shooting it from a full sized pistol, but rapidly becomes obnoxoius when transplanted into itty bitty plastic guns.
4. Great trigger. OK, OK, I'm a trigger snob. I learned to shoot pistols with single action revolvers. My rifles and shotguns all have single action triggers. I see no need to go through all sorts of design contortions to arrive at anything else, perticularly when the result is harder to shoot effectively.


Double stack guns may be nice, for folks that carry them in a duty holster, and don't have to worry about concealment. Sure, an XD .45 carries 14 rds, but if you weld two 1911s together, you get 18 rds in a package about the same thickness.

~~~Mat
 
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