Bear Kills Two...

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I saw an interview with this guy from a few years back. He stated that he wouldn't ever kill a bear, not even to save his own life.

If you hang out with unpredictable predators, and you voluntarily make yourself food, then don't be surprised if you get eaten. I do have to give him credit for sticking to his convictions, however misguided I may think they were.
 
Yeah, I saw the same interview where the guy said he wouldn't kill a bear even to save his life. I wonder if those thoughts went through his head as he was being mauled. Must have been horrible beyond description - and his friend or girlfriend was killed too. I've heard of incidents like this in the past involving bears and people who thought they "knew" bears.

You know what's also bad? He would take video and pictures of him and show them at schools. I hope no kids get the idea that you can just walk up to bears like that. I know he was stupid but I still feel sorry for him. He became deluded by his own sense of invincibility - I guess that can happen to anyone.

And those Rangers stopped a bear charge at 12 feet! Holy cow.

Bears dead, humans dead . . . this whole thing is just horrible.
 
"I do have to give him credit for sticking to his convictions, however misguided I may think they were."

He defaulted on all credit for his convictions when he told his girlfriend to hit the bear, and possibly got her killed too.

:cuss:
 
Rangers find recording of fatal bear attack

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/nation/6970472.htm

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - The graphic sounds of a fatal bear attack were recorded on tape, Alaska state troopers discovered Wednesday while reviewing a tape recovered near the bodies of a wildlife author and his girlfriend.

The bodies of Timothy Treadwell, 46, and Amie Huguenard, 37, were found Monday near Kaflia Bay after an air taxi pilot arrived to pick them up. The pilot contacted the National Park Service and state troopers to report that a brown bear was sitting on human remains at the campsite.

After rangers arrived, one of them shot and killed a large brown bear when it charged through the dense brush. Rangers and troopers later killed a smaller bear that was apparently stalking them.

Trooper Chris Hill said Treadwell may have been wearing a wireless microphone that was probably activated when the brown bear attacked him at Katmai National Park and Preserve. The videotape has audio only during the three-minute recording.

"They're both screaming. She's telling him to play dead, then it changes to fighting back. He asks her to hit the bear," Hill said. "There's so much noise going on. I don't know what's him and what might be an animal."

Autopsies confirmed Wednesday that bears killed the couple.

Troopers recovered video and still photography equipment as well as three hours of video footage from the site, across Shelikof Strait from Kodiak Island.

Much of the footage is close-ups of bears, for which Treadwell was well-known.

Some scenes show bears no more than a few feet from Treadwell, co-author of Among Grizzlies: Living With Wild Bears in Alaska. Others show a more cautious Huguenard leaning away as bears come close to her on the bank of a river.

Jewel Palovak, program director of Grizzly People, an educational project devoted to bears, was the last person outside the park to talk to Treadwell. She said he called by satellite phone Sunday and talked enthusiastically about having seen his favorite bear, a fat female named Downey. "He wanted to make sure she was safe," Palovak said.

Treadwell, whom Palovak likened to Dr. Doolittle, had been in Alaska since June to shoot photos and videos of bears. Treadwell and Huguenard, both of Malibu, Calif., were supposed to arrive Tuesday night in Los Angeles.

Park service officials said they had long feared that bears would kill Treadwell.

"We all had grave concerns about what Timothy Treadwell was doing," said Joe Fowler, chief ranger and acting superintendent of Katmai National Park and Preserve.

Tom Smith, a research ecologist with the Alaska Science Center of the U.S. Geological Service, visited Katmai several years ago and watched Treadwell interact with bears.

"He was breaking every park rule that there was, in terms of distance to the bears, harassing wildlife and interfering with natural processes," Smith said Tuesday. "Right off the bat, his personal mission was at odds with the park service. He had been warned repeatedly. It's a tragic thing, but it's not unpredictable."

This Report Contains Material From the Associated Press and the Los Angeles Times.
 
I saw part of the interview footage on KTUU Anchorage where Treadwell stated he wouldn't kill a bear in self defense. Somehow after hearing that statement any sympathy I may have had for the two victims went out the window.
My thoughts.......DARWIN RULES! I hope neither of these two had the opportunity to pollute the gene pool with their "idiot" genes.
 
"They're both screaming. She's telling him to play dead, then it changes to fighting back. He asks her to hit the bear," Hill said.

so this wasn't a "quick swipe and yer out" attack.

the unmannered bears were playing with their food again

do ya think olde Yogi caught a buzz from whatever nature boy was smoking?
 
lessee,,,

two tiger maulings and now this,,,what the heck is going on with these people?

looks like even tigers and bears have bad days,,,

maybe he tapped the bear on its nose with his microphone and the bear just wasn't in the mood for that right then,,,

:what:

almost reminds you of those paparazzi shots where you see tony danza "accidently" wack the photographer,,,

"oh, i'm sorry. Did i do that?"

if he was ignoring park policy i can't feel all too sorry for him, just another accident waiting to happen, and he caused 2 of his beloved bears to be killed in the process.

yup, darwin AND murphy at work on this one...
 
http://www.adn.com/front/story/4118880p-4134149c.html

.....Troopers Wednesday refused requests to release the audiotape, but said it convinced them the two people had been killed by a bear. Speculation about whether a bear had actually done the killing had been fueled by Treadwell's oft-stated but unsubstantiated claim that he spent summers at Katmai to protect the bears from poachers and sport hunters.

"I'm their lifeguard,'' he told a reporter for The Davis (Calif.) Enterprise in 1999. "I'm there to keep the poachers and sport hunters away. I'm much more likely to be killed by an angry sport hunter than a bear.''

The Kaflia Bay area of Alaska's Gulf Coast -- where Treadwell spent most of his time in the state -- has long been closed to sport hunters, and Katmai rangers said there is no history of poachers killing bears in the area.

When bears die, they are usually killed by other brown bears, said park superintendent Deb Liggett, noting that 90 percent of the cubs each year are killed, and often eaten, by other brown bears. Adult bears sometimes kill each other there, too....
 
When bears die, they are usually killed by other brown bears, said park superintendent Deb Liggett, noting that 90 percent of the cubs each year are killed, and often eaten, by other brown bears. Adult bears sometimes kill each other there, too....
Proving once again that most violent crime in the USA is confined to certain ethnic groups and neighborhoods.

:D
 
Bears kill each other when they reach a certain population density. That density varies depending on the amount of food, but in Kodiak and along the adjacent coast (where this attack happned) it's about 1 bear per square mile.
If sport hunters don't take the excess, the bears take care of the problem themselves.

Keith
 
Keith,

So what you are saying is that the ban on hunting bears in Katmai is ridiculous, right? Not like the bears are going to live happily ever after in fairy tale land and die a peaceful death at a ripe old age, surrounded by dozens of their bear relatives.

Guys like Treadwell that attribute some sort of human morality to wild animals make me :barf:

I enjoy and admire wild creatures (especially the big ones), but I have no suppositions that they are anything but wild, following only the law of survival. To expect anything else demeans the wild animal, IMO.
 
This was horrible...
Even a stupid granola-eating Californian doesn't deserve this.

I would hate to have to be the guy to listen to that tape. I don't need sound effects to help my own imagination.






*shudders*
 
Yeah sure. People killing bears IS a part of the natural process. Alaska natives have always killed bears. In this part of Alaska, natives lived in "barabara's", which were no different than sod houses found in Kansas. And every contemporary description of a barabara notes that it is carpeted with bear furs and that more bear furs were piled up as beds and bedding.

Do you know what baleen is...? It's a black material much like plastic, found in the mouth of whales. Natives would cut a piece of baleen into a sort of knife with a point at each end. They'd then roll this up like a coiled spring , wrap fat around it and tie it with a string until it froze. They'd then cut the string off and toss the frozen ball to a bear. The bear would swallow it and soon thereafter the fat would melt and the baleen spike would spring open in the bears stomach. After a day or so, the bear would die of internal bleeding or be sick enough to be dispatched easily with a bow or spear.

Hardly sporting is it?

Keith
 
Hardly sporting is it?

No, but it gets the job done, particularly if you want to eat and have warm furs to wear. Trapping beaver, by drowning, isn't sporting either.

I think the modern method of giving bears a "bellyache" sounds a little more humane than my first thoughts, considering how they USED to do it.
 
Um - no one has asked/questioned

this, so................
I'll ask as delicately as possible -
Is there a chance that the girlfriend/woman/associate/whatever
MIGHT have been at ,um, 'her time of the month' ????????
Bears have an EXCELLENT sense of smell and I suspect
(have never TRIED it) that if you want to attract a bear,
having the scent of blood/bloody tissure around just
might do the trick.

As to some of the other comments -

The NPS policy regarding firearms is illogical/high handed/
elitist ans just PLAIN STUPID !
MOST of the little furry woodland creatures are FAR better
armed and more capable of defending themselves (nude)
than humans - don't believe it ? - corner a 30lb
racoon sometime (hungry or otherwise) !!!

Though sad -
This individual thought as many blissninnies do - 'If I'm nice
and kind and courteous and bear no ill will towards anyone
(or any creature), well, then they will be kind in return.'

This type of thinking (in Harlem, East L.A or Alaskan
wilderness) can GET YOU KILLED !!

Better stop now before I REALLY start to rant.
 
The bear attacked HIM before it turned and went after her, so I don't think menstrual bleeding had anything to do with it. There have been some studies on bears and menstrual blood and there doesn't seem to be any correlation to attacks. I think bears can smell the difference between wound blood and menstrual blood, and know they are not dealing with a wounded animal - which would set off a predation response.

What's even more boneheaded about this guy, and this attack, is that he won't use pepper spray either! And all jokes aside, pepper spray will work most of the time! But he thought it was cruel to use it on bears...

Keith
 
I just came back from a trip to Yellowstone NP. Can still remember the young female ranger telling me with pride that Yellowstone now has more grizzlies than ever before! Rather kills my enthusiasm for venturing far into the wild. Park literature states that the park is for animals. Somehow the analogy of going to the beach and having the lifeguard gleefully tell me that they now have more Great Whites swimming in their waters than ever before seems to be an appropiate comparison to the comments about the grizzlies.
 
Keith

pepper spray will work most of the time! But he thought it was cruel to use it on bears...

Yeah, I see your point...his lack of caring (untill it was to late)
about his own (not his girlfriends) life led to the (less cruel?)
shooting of bear rather then ending the attack with the "cruel"
bear spray which may have taught the bear to avoid humans.
Not to mention the cruel negligence which led to the death of the woman.
 
I think there's a rather enormous disconnect between the way Alaskans view the state and the way outsiders do. Posters here from the lower 48 have said, alternately, that it's too bad there are so many predators in the woods and on the other hand that we should expect to be eaten when we go in because it is "their turf." There's a notion that certain places are "their turf" while others are "our turf." It's a strange notion. My back yard is both my turf and their turf. The whole state is both human and bear turf, other than the NPS zones which have been sealed off by directive from DC.

Both posters used the metaphor of sharks in the ocean, which is bizarre. This isn't the ocean. I don't live in the ocean. There are bear here, and it's simply a question of co-existing with them. So I scratch my head at the notion that the bears should be a) driven out of all populated regions and b) left sealed off in small pockets where nobody is allowed to go. It's bizarre. The same "our turf vs. their turf" line of thinking leads BOTH to the NPS ban on firerarms and hunting AND to the slaughter of all bears in populated areas. I reject both approaches, and it seems to me outsiders are either like nature boy, wanting to hug the bruins, or take a "kill 'em all" stance. Both approaches come from ignorance.
 
Yeah, I see your point...his lack of caring (untill it was to late)
about his own (not his girlfriends) life led to the (less cruel?)
shooting of bear rather then ending the attack with the "cruel"
bear spray which may have taught the bear to avoid humans.
Not to mention the cruel negligence which led to the death of the woman.

Leftist do-gooders lack the ability to plan ahead or predict the outcome of their actions, it would seem.
 
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