I'm watching the documentary "Grizzly Man" on the Discovery Channel right now..

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hillbilly,

I agree that a lot of people realize that Treadwell was loony tunes (as the search engine proves).

What's amazing and a bit disconcerting is that a lot of people DON'T realize how insane he was. I agree with H&Hhunter that it's sad and maybe even scary that there are so many people who can't recognize insanity when it babbles and raves in front of them and don't know stupid even after it turns its owner into bear droppings.
 
Cosmoline said:
Stupid is as stupid does. And what he did didn't just *seem* stupid, it was amazingly stupid. And pointless.

He did prove that coastal brown bears will avoid eating people during the salmon runs, but then we already knew that. Sourdough and native wisdom up here has always held that coastal brown bears are most dangerous right after exiting the den and right before going in. Until that last fateful trip, Timmy boy timed his travels so he wouldn't have to spend any cold nights up here. He came in well after breakup and left well before the termination dust. The rest of the time he did the talk show circuit and hung out in Malibu.

From all I've seen, the bears did NOT think of Treadwell as "another bear," though this was what he said he wanted. Coastal brown bear are not pack animals. They congregate around salmon streams in a kind of truce in order to share in the proceeds, but they don't like it. Bear instinctively want to be solitary except for VERY brief mating encounters. Treadwell's constant references to "alpha" females and males revealed the depth of his ignorance. There are no alphas or omegas in the bear world. There's only the one who's strongest that day and has the best salmon catching spot that day. They do not think, hunt, or act in packs. The closest you get to a bear "family" is a sow with cubs, but that's nowhere near as complex as a wolf pack or primate group.

The bear recognized him as a harmless thing, and that's as far as their reasoning went on the matter. They got used to seeing him jumping around, and learned to tolerate him and the smell of man. But their attention was on getting salmon. The first time Treadwell lingered after the run had ended, he was promptly killed and eaten. Any fear of man that would have caused that boar to hesitate before striking or to run from the smell of his own kill had long since been erased by Treadwell's own idiotic efforts to tame these animals.

Very well stated Cosmoline!!!!!!!!
 
Hi All-

Timothy Treadwell made a fortune on that Queer Eye for the Straight Guy television show, so it's very puzzling why he spent so much time in solitude.

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JohnKSa said:
hillbilly,

I agree that a lot of people realize that Treadwell was loony tunes (as the search engine proves).

What's amazing and a bit disconcerting is that a lot of people DON'T realize how insane he was. I agree with H&Hhunter that it's sad and maybe even scary that there are so many people who can't recognize insanity when it babbles and raves in front of them and don't know stupid even after it turns its owner into bear droppings.
Yes, the total tragedy is that classic signs of insanity were dismissed by so many. His were garden variety Bipolar straight down to the alcoholism history and filmed rantings. There WAS enough to get this guy involuntarily locked up and medicated, if his real friends hadn't allowed themselves to be hypnotized by his charisma.
 
I watched just a few minutes of it. A lady said that he was out there to save the bears....Save the bears from what?????
 
BIGR said:
I watched just a few minutes of it. A lady said that he was out there to save the bears....Save the bears from what?????

I can't watch more than a few minutes of it either. Between Treadwell and Herzog the annoying voice factor is just too high for me.
 
TexasSIGman said:
I can't watch more than a few minutes of it either. Between Treadwell and Herzog the annoying voice factor is just too high for me.

"After vatching hundreds of hours of zees films, I can see no sign of recognition in zee bear. Only zee overwhelming blank stare and a half-bored interest in food. Very much like my vife's expression when I return home after making yet another vierd unt pondorous documentary."
 
TexasSIGman said:
I can't watch more than a few minutes of it either. Between Treadwell and Herzog the annoying voice factor is just too high for me.

My wife had me laughing pretty good from all the badmouthing she was doing regarding Timothy's annoying voice. Man that guy had some serious issues!


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I'm thinking of renting this when I'm back in-country, but I'm wondering...

Is the films slant pro-Treadwell? I realize it'd be obvious the guy was loony no matter how they tried to spin it, but I don't wanna waste money on some tree-hugging opus.
 
The film itself is mostly Herzog's portrait of madness. It's worth seeing for the rare big-screen footage of Alaska, as opposed to the usual BC locations that stand in for Alaska. I actually think it's a fascinating and informative view of the PETA psyche, which of course is the sibling of the anti psyche.
 
I enjoyed reading what you guys wrote. Really informed, intelligent stuff here. Treadwell was an idiot, imo. The best books I've read on bear attacks are the ones by Gary Shelton. Check them out.
 
Treadwell was spectacularly successful in one regard: he got all of you guys to tune in and watch.

Some of you for a few minutes, most for the entire three hours.

Hillbilly, he hooked hard.

Hard to say who was crazier. At least he died for what he believed.

We're just watching, and talking.

:cool:
 
Jammer Six said:
Treadwell was spectacularly successful in one regard: he got all of you guys to tune in and watch.

Some of you for a few minutes, most for the entire three hours.

Hillbilly, he hooked hard.

Hard to say who was crazier. At least he died for what he believed.

We're just watching, and talking.

:cool:

I watched 'cause I was rootin' for the bear. We won!
 
Jammer Six said:
Treadwell was spectacularly successful in one regard: he got all of you guys to tune in and watch.

Some of you for a few minutes, most for the entire three hours.

Hillbilly, he hooked hard.

Hard to say who was crazier. At least he died for what he believed.

We're just watching, and talking.

:cool:

...and we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive... ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' alive stayin' alive:evil:
 
Hope to see a sequel...

[/B]Well, we can all hope to see a sequel here, huh? Maybe we'll all get really lucky and some know-it-all film producer like Michael Moore will go so over-the-top about this that he'll want to take up where Treadwell left off. In that case everbody wins: IE: MM gets to try to take another swipe at guns and those that are pro-gun, while we get to kiss MM goodbye once and for all, and the bears get to eat a whole lot of extra fat and won't starve that season!
 
Treadwell was spectacularly successful in one regard: he got all of you guys to tune in and watch.
Not me--I only tuned in after I saw so many comments about it here. THR got me to tune in. ;)

At best, you could say Herzog got folks to tune in. Treadwell succeeded only in getting a bear to eat him and his girlfriend. If it hadn't been for that "success", no one would have ever heard of him.
 
As a dedicated channel surfer, I only caught bits and pieces of the program.

Did they omit the fact that two bears were killed or did I just flip channels to soon?
 
They showed that they killed "the bear that killed Treadwell", although how they know that is beyond me.

It is true that there was human remains in his stomach, but no one else was there when the killing took place, so in my mind, they don't know.

I only saw a reference to one bear killed as a result of Treadwell's death.
 
No, they discuss that. Though I don't know if they emphasize enough that the shootings were both in self defense. Nobody hunted down a "mankiller" bear or somesuch. Their concern was with bringing back the human remains and securing the scene. They treated it by-the-book as a potential homicide until they were able to confirm and document that there was no sign of murder.
 
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