There's a question I'd like to ask, as the accuracy sans patch was better than I expected.
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Elkins45
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Wonder how those guns would have withstood being touched off when the ball had rolled HALFWAY down the barrel? I've never seen round balls fired without a patch in a front stuffer other than a revolver.
That seemed a little dangerous to me.
That seemed a little dangerous to me.
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What a bogus episode. Were the flinters smooth bore? If they were, then a slightly larger ball could have been rammed, and would have stayed put. Loading with a patch would have required more time, a short starter, and more training before hand. As always, details were missing that us shooters would like to hear. Instead of bickering and those oh so painful decisions on who goes to eliminations.
As for the elimination challenge, why couldn't the shooter walk straight ahead, just turn the upper body to shoot? The sideways shuffle is hardly a stable shooting position.
As for the elimination challenge, why couldn't the shooter walk straight ahead, just turn the upper body to shoot? The sideways shuffle is hardly a stable shooting position.
I'm sure they could have...I guess it's a matter or what's more accurate/stable. Think about baskeball defense...you shuffle side to side to stay on balance. I'd probably do better shuffling side to side and keeping my shoulders square than walking down the line shooting with an unfamiliar "sideways" stance.
Pretty fun episode but watching the big guy with the muzzleloader was painful!
I wondered about the missing patch/loose ball as well...weird.
I think the blue team deserves some Bass Pro gift cards for not screaming at Greg while he was standing up there not shooting. That was PAINFUL to watch, but they showed great restraint. Wasn't a big fan of the rope swing over. Is this Top Shot or Top Pirate? Maybe Top Guns will redeem tonight. At least that annoying guy from last season isn't around.
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As far as the unpatched question goes, I would have to imagine that was for reloading. Think about it, how many shots do you guys get from your front stuffers before you have to clean them to get the ball started? I know it's just a few with one of mine. Lot's of buildup from black powder and it builds up very quickly. Had they used slightly "oversized" balls or a patch the third person in line may well have not been able to load.
And as usual, girly man Greg fails again!! But his team failed as well. Had they had a "caller" like the red team did he would have discovered his half cock earlier. But still, yes those old flintlock pistols had very heavy triggers, they aren't so bad as to have to friggin strain like that to pull for Christ's sake! Greg just has to over dramatize EVERYTHING. I think he should just put his dress back on for the next challenge and be himself
(And make sure he accessorizes with his pink bandanna)
And as usual, girly man Greg fails again!! But his team failed as well. Had they had a "caller" like the red team did he would have discovered his half cock earlier. But still, yes those old flintlock pistols had very heavy triggers, they aren't so bad as to have to friggin strain like that to pull for Christ's sake! Greg just has to over dramatize EVERYTHING. I think he should just put his dress back on for the next challenge and be himself
(And make sure he accessorizes with his pink bandanna)
That really was painful...almost as painful as watching Chee (RangeMaster) hit the platform 3 times as he tried to figure out the rope swing. Also notice that Gabby (Olympic shooter) almost didn't make it back the the first platform on he swing back...Kyle (LE Commander) had to catch her.
Terry (English guy) on the Red Team, had a funny blog about the incident. He said he wanted to swing over to the other platform and choke him out. He had the most doubts, going into the Flintlock training about his ability with the gun...he couldn't believe Greg didn't remember to fully cock it after priming the pan
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You mean blue team
Oops, you're right...but his blog is still funny
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Yeah the big guy has trouble you think he would be more competent with his job
I'm also suprised that they used the usp tactical instead of the newer hk45
I'm also suprised that they used the usp tactical instead of the newer hk45
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I don't want to talk trash since who knows how any of us would do under not only competition pressure but the pressure of being on TV as well, but that blue team guy who stood there for 5 minutes like a lost child was just driving me insane!..
I like the new Top Guns show but this season of Top Shot provides no interest for me. I usually find someone within episode 1 or 2 that i want to see win... This season i can hardly watch or listen to everyone there.
Oh well, luckily Top Guns is really interesting so far. I hope they keep this show going.
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I like the new Top Guns show but this season of Top Shot provides no interest for me. I usually find someone within episode 1 or 2 that i want to see win... This season i can hardly watch or listen to everyone there.
Oh well, luckily Top Guns is really interesting so far. I hope they keep this show going.
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Oh and I was just going over this in my mind and remembered something. Anyone else spot a SERIOUS safety OOPS in that episode??? I'll give you a huge hint, it was after Greg lost his ball
OK since you thought about it, I'll tell you. Notice he didn't drop the hammer or dump the 4f out of the frizzen before he went to reload the ball!!!!
That would have been a HUGE WOOPS had that thing when off while tamping it!
OK since you thought about it, I'll tell you. Notice he didn't drop the hammer or dump the 4f out of the frizzen before he went to reload the ball!!!!
That would have been a HUGE WOOPS had that thing when off while tamping it!
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Yes, I was screaming at my wife "It's still cocked!" I guess I knew they wouldn't be showing it if he had blown the ramrod through his forehead, but watching him ram a cocked gun just made me cringe all over!Oh and I was just going over this in my mind and remembered something. Anyone else spot a SERIOUS safety OOPS in that episode??? I'll give you a huge hint, it was after Greg lost his ball
OK since you thought about it, I'll tell you. Notice he didn't drop the hammer or dump the 4f out of the frizzen before he went to reload the ball!!!!
Wow, poor Greg just froze. If the blue team lost everyone else would've just emptied the pistol on his target, then Greg would have the luxury of picking who he wanted to compete. Luckily the red team choked.
The elimination challenge was a little more interesting then the team one. It looked like if you didn't get your rhythm down while moving, you weren't going to hit much.
The elimination challenge was a little more interesting then the team one. It looked like if you didn't get your rhythm down while moving, you weren't going to hit much.
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I was VERY bored with the flint lock part of last nights episode, but the elimination challenge was very exciting. I think this season, the Elimination challenges have been outstanding, and way more exciting than previous seasons so kudos to them for that. Greg still stinks and needs to get the boot.
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In Top Guns, the flintlock and Colt 1873 are iconic weapons, but I don't think the H&K 45 has that same status in history. Probably, there are other modern semiautos that have more of a historical significance (Glock 17?).
The poker competition was fun though; I thought Steve Gilcrest had the best chance to win, but Darryl P. pulled through.
The poker competition was fun though; I thought Steve Gilcrest had the best chance to win, but Darryl P. pulled through.
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The Top Shot/Top Guns references to the Kentucky Pistol were a mess.
The Kentucky Pistol is a specific style of American flintlock that really didn't reach a definitive point of development until the late 18th Century. They weren't around during the "golden age" of piracy and certainly were not introduced in 1610 (as indicated on Top Guns). Using the description "flintlock pistol" would have been more accurate.
On Top Guns, Colby said that the ignition could take 1-2 seconds. That is known as a hang fire. A properly tuned and loaded flintlock should go off almost instantaneously.
The "Kentucky Pistol" they were using was a crappy Italian kinda looks like one replica. An original would have a good quality (faster/more reliable) lock, would balance much differently (cheap replicas tend to have way too much thickness in the stocks) and certainly wouldn't have an eight pound trigger.
If you want to shoot accurately, you need to use a patch around the bullet. On the other hand, if they really wanted to use "pirate pistols" they should have been smooth bores, with no sights- even less accurate.
On another note, did anyone notice when they were discussing the historical use of the SAA on Top Guns, they showed people firing Remingtons and S&W breaktops?
The Kentucky Pistol is a specific style of American flintlock that really didn't reach a definitive point of development until the late 18th Century. They weren't around during the "golden age" of piracy and certainly were not introduced in 1610 (as indicated on Top Guns). Using the description "flintlock pistol" would have been more accurate.
On Top Guns, Colby said that the ignition could take 1-2 seconds. That is known as a hang fire. A properly tuned and loaded flintlock should go off almost instantaneously.
The "Kentucky Pistol" they were using was a crappy Italian kinda looks like one replica. An original would have a good quality (faster/more reliable) lock, would balance much differently (cheap replicas tend to have way too much thickness in the stocks) and certainly wouldn't have an eight pound trigger.
If you want to shoot accurately, you need to use a patch around the bullet. On the other hand, if they really wanted to use "pirate pistols" they should have been smooth bores, with no sights- even less accurate.
On another note, did anyone notice when they were discussing the historical use of the SAA on Top Guns, they showed people firing Remingtons and S&W breaktops?
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you would think them being experts ,they would shoot better groups at 24 ft
I didn't see better accuracy in the patched ball vs. the loose ball.
The poker hand was pretty cool.
The poker hand was pretty cool.
I have not read this thread because I have not even seen season 2 or 3. Is there some place to watch it on the net?
I just hope it is not full of drama because season one was pretty drama free, and I do not want the series to shift more toward a Survivor format(I cannot that show).
I just hope it is not full of drama because season one was pretty drama free, and I do not want the series to shift more toward a Survivor format(I cannot that show).
Yes...several times....I think they even showed someone breaking open one of the S&Ws. They really need someone who knows gun to sit in the editing room
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Season 2 had a little drama....Season 3 was basically ruined by 1 guy who was trying to extend his 15 minutes a little too far.
Season 4 is more mild than Season 1 was so far.
Seasons 1 & 2 are both available on Netflix (Disc or streaming)
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