Ammo Shortage merged threads, aka UberUltraMasterAmmoThreadOfPower

[Duke of Doubt]

Really.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

coloradokevin: "Duke, that's a bit of a broad assumption with that definition. I've read enough of your posts to realize that you know better than that! A "Rifleman" is a definition of a person, not the caliber they carry!"

True enough, but when you see a '54 Chevy, you can be pretty sure the owner, if not the driver, is a car person. Likewise with guns.

"Mall ninjas are definitely hoarding at the moment, but the impact has gone beyond those calibers. A lot of "Riflemen" shoot AR-15's, and a lot of "Riflemen" shoot calibers that aren't quite as mainstream as the .30-06."

Also true, and car guys sometimes have good reason to drive trucks or non-enthusiast vehicles. But when you see a gigantic pile of .30-'06, .308, .270, .243 and other classic "shooter" calibers after reading pages of whining about how there isn't any ammo anywhere, it registers.

"I really like shooting my 8mm Mauser, which -from a ballistic standpoint- compares pretty favorably to the .30-06 with handloads. I can't find components or loaded ammo for this caliber right now. Nor can I find them for many of my other guns."

I confess to being spoiled there, as I bought humongous sardine tins of 8mm years ago. But still, I saw plenty at an area gun show last month.

"I think there is some regional variation with this shortage, but it has certainly hit here!"

No doubt, just giving the local angle. Plenty to go around; pay a visit!

 

[maroast]

Trying see if we can get this thread locked too? I don't think I need to come right out and start naming names....

Over the past several weeks I've seen the local .22lr supplies dwindle to a trickle here in Dallas. And all other calibers have been slim pickings for months now....looks like 22 just caught up.

I'm sitting on a comfortable supply of all of my calibers...but I saw this comming months before all this went down.

 

[Aw4g63]

I've worked at about 10 of the Walmart Distribution Centers since January. I only spend about an hour or so at each. When I do, I ask people where all the ammo is and I break their balls about not sending any to the Wal-marts around Cleveland. They claim they get as much as always.

Meanwhile at Ganider Mountain the guy says they get a smaller pallet each shipment.

 

[rogertc1]

If there is law or tax passed about ammo. I would have plenty to last me and also, ammo would be the new gold. The value may be so high it would be like owning gold. There are a lot of people with the same ideas out there.

 

[outerlimit]

I have plenty of .22lr, .45acp, .30-30. I don't have any .243, .223 and I'm running low on 9mm. But I'm not about to run out and buy some at these prices. I put a bid on some 9mm on Gunbroker the other day that was reasonably priced. Somebody outbid me by $5, then some clown came in and did the buy it now for almost twice the opening bid. I don't feel sorry for these guys one bit, they are doing it to themselves. Adding fuel to the fire, we've also got people snapping up all the ammo that comes in at Walmart and putting it up for sale on Gunbroker and local messageboards for 50% or more than they paid for it.

 

[SuperFlanker]

I can get 500 round bricks of xm193 for $300 plus tax. is that a good deal?

 

[outerlimit]

5.56 used to be nice because it was cheap to plink with. But I don't see the point anymore when it costs as much as premium hunting ammo. I'll buy some again when the prices come out of the stratosphere. A few years back I bought the 300rd battle packs for $34.99.

 

[xbox360]

"A nationwide bullet drought ..."

It ain't nationwide


I can find ammo. just .30cal is hard to find for m1 carbines.

 

[PvtPyle]

Sorry, Syb. Here to stay. Deal.

You were saying? Looks like the twerp went and did it afterall.

 

[coloradokevin]

Also true, and car guys sometimes have good reason to drive trucks or non-enthusiast vehicles. But when you see a gigantic pile of .30-'06, .308, .270, .243 and other classic "shooter" calibers after reading pages of whining about how there isn't any ammo anywhere, it registers.

Well, another reason that I think it may be occurring that way is because of the type of guns that ammunition is typically fired through.

Whether one is a rifleman, a mall-ninja, a hunter, or a competitive shooter, certain types of firearms just "eat" more ammo.

I could go to a range with a 20 round box of ammo for a large caliber rifle and consider it a complete day for that gun after firing those twenty rounds. But, if I show up with my .45ACP I might find myself shooting 500 rounds before I'm truly satisfied. The same can be said for my .22LR chambered firearms, and for my AR-15 type rifles.

As such, I'm not entirely surprised to hear that the calibers that are most often fired through bolt-action/precision rifles are not being used up as quickly as the calibers that typically run through semi-automatic pistols and rifles.

You were saying? Looks like the twerp went and did it afterall.

Did what? I'm lost (again).

 

[Alimony Bob]

The Four Major Foodgroups

Bullets, whiskey, gasoline and women. When you need one of them nothing else will do. Seems to be plenty of everything in the online stores except 380 auto and I can't figure out why it alone seems to be the most scarce if not nonexistent of all.

 

[toivo]

Seems to be plenty of everything in the online stores except 380 auto and I can't figure out why it alone seems to be the most scarce if not nonexistent of all.

My guess is that .380 ACP is becoming much more popular--possibly because of "mouseguns" like the Ruger LCP and Kel Tec P3AT--and the supply chain is a bit behind the curve.

 

[atblis]

Yeah

To the 380 list add
Kahr
Magnum Research
Taurus (not out yet)

 

[PvtPyle]

You guys can take DoD's comments and let them roll off your back. He wont be able to reply to them for the rest of his life.

 

[coloradokevin]

You guys can take DoD's comments and let them roll off your back. He wont be able to reply to them for the rest of his life.

Does that mean that he was banned?

I was never really personally bothered by DOD, though I know some folks didn't like him.

Still, I sure don't think he was nearly as bad as the guy who was on the forum the other day talking about cops in the context of "I hate all of those Mfer's".

I guess it takes all kinds in this world!

 

[Titan6]

What is interesting is that in this particular case the Duck was pretty close to the truth. Tons of ammo is for sale in all calibers at Cabela's for example. But none of it is cheap and it much more than it was last year.

The "Rilfeman" comments were the typical gun snobbery that pervaded his attitude. He always had some interesting points but could never figure out how to support an argument properly or stop being rude for more than a single post.

 

[rbernie]

As a general rule, we don't discuss the disposition of other members.

Thanks.

 

[Alimony Bob]

I asked my dealer about the 380 shortage (because he's just about got everything else!) and he said that since the election one of the more popular calibers for self-protection and CC has been the 380 particularly for 1st time buyers. I've got a 380 PPK and an old Mod 51 Remington pocket pistol but I don't take either to the range and have a box or two for them. I think I'll sell the PPK and then just not worry about it.

Wonder what the steel shot will be by duck season!

 

[Aw4g63]

I stopped into Dicks Sporting Goods today to pick up some Gun Scrubber after my range trip. I looked and they had ammo.

"I asked how much per box of .40cal. The kid said it's $17.99 a box if you buy per case. 10 boxes per case. We only have 2 cases left and it's all we're getting till July. " ***? What an upselling liar.

It was the worst used car salesmen tactic they could use. What a complete lie.

He then went on to tell me that Federal and Remington have laid off half their staff and cut back on production more. I swear I just read that Remington was at the highest capacity in history and off to a great fiscal year....no?

So now Dicks sales people are liars? lol I don't really care, just thought it was funny. I laughed it off.

 

[22-rimfire]

380's are in short supply due to the introduction of a couple new pocket pistols. They make great little purse guns. You do need to practice some though. 6 or 9 ft may seem easy, but if your shots are 2 feet from your aiming point, you need to work on it a little.

I read a summary by Grant Cunningham on ammo shortage that was particularly good. http://www.grantcunningham.com/blog_files/category-ammunition.html

There are always a few know it all's at gun shops and yes, Dicks. That's okay. I listen. Form my own opionions.

 

[rickomatic]

The supply chain is simply empty, all the way up to the people who mine the raw materials. It's going to take time to replace all the links in that chain

You know what's scarier? Your food comes to you the same way. Imagine what would happen if...

There is more behind the scenes that we are oblivious to. No need to be a chicken little. But it is important to know the whole story.

 

[twinwillows]

22 ammo update

A friend traveling home just called to let me know that the Bass Pro in Knoxville TN has no 22 long rifle "bricks", no 45acp, no 9mm, no 223 ammo on the shelves/backroom/or warehouse... Whats' w/the run on 22LR?? I can see where it'd be possible for the 45, 9 & 223 to be getting sucked up by the military but 22lr??

Not even if we're being attacked by millions of rabid squirrels does this shortage make sense..

 

[rogertc1]

http://gunowners.org/a042109.htm

Obama after reloaders now

 

[Ned Kelly]

22 Ammo IS being HOARDED just like 9mm, .223 and others.

At one of the shops I visited on my search I heard one guy telling his buddy about how he went into a WalMart and seen that they had some of the Remmy Golden 550 packs (like I was looking for) and he bought the last 7 boxes they had even though he already had 2,500 rounds at home in his safe. THAT'S HOARDING!!

Already having 2,500 rounds of 22 ammo at home and then ADDING 3,850 more when there are others that can't even find a single frigging box, is nothing but GREEDY and SELFISH. I was so irritated at hearing that, that I just about let him know what was on my mind and how he was damaging our sport.

Think about all of the Cub Scout troops, Boy Scout troops or others that were looking forward to being able to go out and learn about shooting a gun, maybe for the first time ever, and will have to stay home and make stuff out of glued together Popsicle sticks now. Or what about the guy that just wants to take his 2 sons and their friends out on the weekend for some fun plinking and target practice, he's outta luck ain't he? And it's been like this for over a month now.

I swear the gun rights crowd has just about as many people INSIDE that damage our movement than there are out there trying every day to destroy everything we love. You can't even get a great deal of them to get off their fat butts and VOTE, let alone do something that will build for the FUTURE. Even when they do vote, we have these ABSOLUTE MORONS that voted for Obama, Kerry and ALGORE and will then come to the forums and try to argue that they aren't going to do anything about our guns. I've seen numerous cars at gun shops and gun shows with OBAMA bumper stickers. I put these HOARDERS right in the same boat.

The 2nd Amendment advocates are like no other civil rights group in America. We have so many people that claim to be supporters and fighters for the cause, but in reality are a HUGE LIABILITY and damage the movement every time they are given the chance. That's why we have to constantly fight these battles for every little scrap we can get and defend every inch we gain against the CONSTANT threat of losing our freedoms. We can't afford to relax and enjoy what we have.
Do you think the homosexual rights groups, African American rights organizations, and others have this many people inside their ranks that are either too lazy to do anything useful or when they do manage to do something, it's damaging or selfish? They won't and don't put up with it. Too bad the gun rights groups can't learn a thing or 2 from others.

RANT MODE OFF.

BD

Thats about it in a nutshell.

The biggest threat to gun owners and shooters is there will be a drop in people interested in shooting due to expensive ammo who will never come back to the sport to see if ammo will ever get cheap again.

Not sure how the ammo companies will fair in all of it. They sure are cranking out a lot more ammo for law enforcement and homeland security than they ever have.