Ammo Shortage merged threads, aka UberUltraMasterAmmoThreadOfPower

[Lightninstrike]

No, he hasn't won. Millions of new guns in the market. Gosh knows how many new gun owners. I don't have accurate numbers for that, the NIC checks statistics don't tell you anything about whether the check was done for a new owner, thank goodness, but I bet there are a couple of million new gun owners so far. And how many new NRA members? Won? No way. My guess is they are appalled and worried by the reaction.

 

[runrabbitrun]

My guess is they are appalled and worried by the reaction.

That would be my guess too.

 

[MisterMike]

We're not going to be passive and wait to see what he does. It's his worst nightmare.

No, he hasn't won. Millions of new guns in the market. Gosh knows how many new gun owners.

While many of us are feeling a bit of pain as we struggle to find guns and ammo at a reasonable price, I think that the points I've quoted are right on target. The rush to purchase in anticipation of gun legislation has served to illustrate that we are not just a small group of bitter disenfranchised losers who are clinging to our guns. I doubt that the events of the past few months have altered the perceptions of the most rabid anti-rights activists, but those who are willing to look beyond the superficial rhetoric cannot escape the conclusion that millions and millions of individuals are concerned about infringement on their rights.

Nonetheless, it is critically important that every one of us continue to push this point very hard with those who hold political office, regardless of their past positions on gun control. As Speaker Pelosi recently admitted, the anti-rights politicians are just biding their time, waiting for the right moment to impose ever-tightening restrictions on our rights. The only language that they understand is spoken in votes, and it's essential that we keep writing and calling to make it clear that our votes rest on what they do with respect to gun control issues.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

No, and all evidence indicates that he is losing his "mandate" to push for strict so-called "gun control".

 

[22-rimfire]

$25 to $30 a box for bulk ammo 500-550 rounds is a rip off.

Maybe. It certainly feels like a rip off if Walmart has some available for $135/case. I have never once seen a case of 22 ammo at Walmart and if you ask if they have any in the back, they have always replied that their entire stock is on the shelves.

I hope you feel that way a year from now. You may well be writing about all the bargain pricing of ammo at Walmart last year that is no longer such a bargain and being critical of Walmart for whatever reason. Prices rarely come down on most things once they go up. It wasn't so long ago that those $1.47/box Federal Champions were $1.07/box at Walmart.

 

[Ned Kelly]

Prices rarely come down on most things once they go up

It did on Gasoline, milk and bread.

 

[fatelk]

The fact that Walmart has the bulk packs for $13.47 (even if occasionally) tells me that $25-$30 for the same thing is a ripoff. When supply catches up, prices will come down somewhat.

Not exactly related, but I'm still steamed about some .22 ammo I made a deal on while helping a friend at the local gun show. I was helping him set up his tables, and the guy across the isle was setting out a bunch of old CCI Mini-Mags. Some of the boxes had 1971 written on them, but he only wanted $35/1000. I talked to him about them; he had several thousand of them. I told him I'll take them and was ready to buy but then my friend was talking to him and making a deal for a bunch more ammo so I kept busy setting up.

By the time I got back in, he had left (show started the next morning) but my friend assured me the deal he made included the mini-mags for me, and he had it all in writing with the agreement to bring cash the very first thing in the morning.

We got there first thing, only to see another dealer a few tables over hauling it off. He had seen the deal we had made, got there before us, and offered him more money to sell it out from under us. The seller couldn't figure out why my friend and I were so upset.

The other guy took it over to his table, marked it up to $8/100, and sold it all!

This is the first time I'd helped set up at a show, maybe I'm a little niave as to how things work. I guess I should have got my wallet out when I first saw it; I just figured a deal is a deal. The world is full of jerks; the best you can do is try to avoid them. Some people have absolutely no ethics.

Anyhow, I don't mean to hijack the thread, sorry for rambling. I guess the moral of my story is that you can find fair prices if you look around enough.

The cost of production alone is not the cause for $25 Federal bulk packs. Scarcity is the issue here, and there are a lot of shrewd operators around who know how and where to get the cheap ammo, then turn around and screw the unsuspecting sucker who can't seem to find any because they bought it all up. The trick seems to be to figure out when and where they get it and beat them to it.:banghead:

 

[Dimis]

Holy Cow!!!!
i went to read the responses and noticed i was on Page 9
i just posted this yesterday i guess i hit the hot button

anyway Realisticly speaking i know its not a master scheme to stop us all from owning guns
but seriously here in the middle of nowhere there is a SERIOUS lack of ammo and firearms still
to the point that i wonder if we will ever see them again
whether thats due to an actual shortage or lazyness on the shops parts i dont know

i also have yet to understand why alot of gun owners have horded beyond whats needed and refuse to help the rest of us out without price gauging to the skys limit

 

[freonr22]

primer group buy

Hi, a group of us were contemplating a group buy on primers, and wondering what the logistics would be on a 1,000,000 piece order? it might be more. im not sure of brand, possibly cci, mostly small rifle maybe #41's or maybe wolf? what are your thoughts about discounts/avalability? thank you for your time

we can turn up an 06ffl.....
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=178247

well so far, i have contacted midway, no dice, wideners:"The number would depend on the amount we receive, at this time there are no primers. Looking across the board we are likely to limit orders to a maximum of 50k primers, so everyone who needs them has a fair chance at getting some." winchester below, i have also emailed sellier & bellot, atk, norma, pmc, aguila, fiocchi, doubletap, georgia arms, cci,

Thank you for Choosing Widener's Reloading

WRSSI
[email protected]
1-800-615-3006
1-423-282-6651 (fax)

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:00 PM
To: Wideners
Subject: Re: primer group buy


so out of curiosity if an mfg/06ffl contact you you would put a limit on what they ordered....
----- Original Message -----
From: Wideners

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: primer group buy

We are sorry. But the answer is no.

Thank you for Choosing Widener's Reloading

WRSSI
[email protected]
1-800-615-3006
1-423-282-6651 (fax)

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:51 PM
To: Wideners
Subject: Re: primer group buy
also wolf said to go through you which is fine. i just called 3 minutes ago
----- Original Message -----
From: Wideners
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: primer group buy
No way would we ship 1 million primers to one individual without a Manufactures license. On top of that that hard part would be coming up with this amount. Sorry but we cannot do this.

Thank you for Choosing Widener's Reloading

WRSSI
[email protected]
1-800-615-3006
1-423-282-6651 (fax)

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:35 PM
To: Wideners
Subject: Re: primer group buy

no we are not joking please look @ this forum thread
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=178247
From: Wideners
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:00 AM
Subject: RE: primer group buy


This is a joke right.

Thank you for Choosing Widener's Reloading

WRSSI
[email protected]
1-800-615-3006
1-423-282-6651 (fax)

Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:33 PM
To: Wideners
Subject: primer group buy

Hi, a group of us were contemplating a group buy on primers, and wondering what the logistics would be on a 1,000,000 piece order? it might be more. im not sure of brand, possibly cci, mostly small rifle maybe #41's or maybe wolf? what are your thoughts about discounts/avalability? thank you for your time

winchesterear Paul:

Every Distributor has way more business than their ability to supply. Due to this, none that I know of are taking backorders.

Sincerely,

Paul Nowak

Winchester Ammunition

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:25 PM
To: Nowak, Paul F EALT
Subject: Re: primer group buy

I understand, could you reccomend a dealr to handle this??? midway, pvi, and wideners will not take backorders.....

From: Nowak, Paul F EALT
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:18 AM

Subject: RE: primer group buy

Dear Paul:

In spite of our working 7 days a week 24 hours a day since last November making and shipping more product than we ever have, we can’t keep up with what seems like an insatiable demand for loaded ammunition and primers. In addition we do not sell direct to the end user but through a nationwide network of Winchester Wholesale Distributors.

Sincerely,

Paul Nowak

Winchester Ammunition

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:05 PM
To: Nowak, Paul F EALT
Subject: primer group buy

primer group buy

Hi, a group of us were contemplating a group buy on primers, and wondering what the logistics would be on a 1,000,000 piece order? it might be more. im not sure of brand, possibly cci, mostly small rifle maybe #41's or maybe wolf? what are your thoughts about discounts/avalability? thank you for your time

we can turn up an 06ffl.....

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=178247

 

[RyanM]

The fact that Walmart has the bulk packs for $13.47 (even if occasionally) tells me that $25-$30 for the same thing is a ripoff. When supply catches up, prices will come down somewhat.

Way back when it was $8 per brick at Wal-Mart, the smaller stores were $12 or $13. It's not a "rip-off," it's plain economy of scale. Wal-Mart gets better dealer pricing than Mom and Pop's Guns.

 

[22-rimfire]

About the cheapest regular price I currently see on ammo is $20/brick for Remington Thunderbolts except at Walmart. I purchase Federal Champion 510's there for $1.47/box or about $15/brick and CCI Mini-Mags for something like $8/box of 100.

Gun Shops are often charging more. Kmart is selling Thunderbolts for about the same price or maybe its $30/bulk pack. I didn't pay real close attention to their price as I know they are usually high for "big box stores".

To think I just bought some Eley black Match EPS 22 ammo for $16/box of 50. Sure makes bricks seem cheap as you could buy entire brick or a bulk pack for less than that at most Walmarts if they have it in stock.

Years ago when I was little (5-6 maybe), I was staying at a hotel in NYC with my parents. I went over to the little stand in the hotel to buy a pack of life savers and pulled out my nickel.... the man said 7-cents please. I got really upset and said it as a big gyp! I still chuckle about that to myself.

 

[chuwee81]

i got a 550 rd of remington brick from a co-worker for 22 bux. I think it was ok, not stellar, but not a ripoff IMO. Wal mart has winchester xper for 2.99 per box of 50. this times 10 for a brick or times 11 for 550 rds would cost me 30-33 bux + tax. I bought it because i can't find a brick anywhere else and the fact that he IS NOT a shooter - they're a gift from someone and it's just sitting in the office collecting dust. i figure i paid .04c each. Not too bad.

 

[AllAmerican]

First everyone bought up all the other ammo and left the .22LR alone because it was considered happy fun time ammo for plinking. Then, some folks showed that it could be used as a SHTF round and a defensive round and boom, now the prices are rising since everyone is buying it up.

 

[Dominus]

Walmart here had Remington (500) was $32.99.
Local shop had Blazer (500) for $24.99.

I don't recall the exact details other then brand.

 

[bill larry]

A RANT about gun collecting

Ya know what?

I was just looking in my gun cabinet admiring some really fine guns that I own.

To me they are more than a hobby: the symbolize my power as a human to protect myself and my family.

I don't know about you but I 'm stunned every time I pick a gun up and admire the ingenious thought and effort that went into its being crafted. The genius of my fellow man never fails to amaze me. The history behind them.

And what sucks is that all I can do is afford to look at them because ammo is too freakin' expensive to shoot 'em. It's never gonna get cheaper. I already reload and it still costs too much to go have a really good range session.

I have ammo up to my ears that I'm afraid to shoot because I can't afford to replace it.

I'm really thinking hard about divesting myself of my collection. I can't believe I just typed those words, but it's the truth.

 

[Dr.Who]

I hear you....

It makes you wonder at times if this is a leftist trick.... I believe it will come back down as did gasoline from $4.00 + a gallon....

Now how could I be on the ground floor of creating an unreal shortage and make lots of money....LOL

 

[ants]

What exactly do you mean?

divulging myself of my collection

'Divulging' means disclosing a secret. "Divesting" means getting rid of material property.

Just because you're feeling down about the cost of ammo today, doesn't mean you bail on your commitments to yourself.

We've had this trouble before, and we all weathered through. Hang tough.

 

[flrfh213]

i just bought 1000 22lr 2 weeks ago from CTD i think, but need to grab a few more .22 mag. i dont think 58 rounds will keep me very long but i have had 800 .38 spl for about a year and 1800 9mm at least that long... glad i have what i have had for so long... i think i paid 9 bucks and change per box of 50 9mm... i guess it was a while ago...

 

[Pun1sher]

... theres a shortage? :/

 

[FiREhAwk]

if we all invest our ammo money into firearms then we will inflate the price of arms and make the current prices even worse.

 

[Kind of Blued]

Simple answer: No. This is supply and demand. It moderates itself.

Simple, long-winded answer if you still don't get it: If you want ammo, buy it. If there's none to buy, that means other people bought all of it already. This sends a signal to the manufacturers that they need to make more. If that doesn't work, they'll realize they need to make a LOT more. By this point, the people who want ammo will be able to buy ammo. Once everybody has all the ammo they want, they'll stop buying as much of it. This will send a signal to the manufacturers that they don't need to make as much ammo anymore. They'll continue to make ammo to replace the ammo that is used up by those who shoot it.

 

[John Wayne]

I disagree. While there are guns in stock around here, it's usually not what people are looking for. Either that, or they've been redicuously over-priced, which is why they're not selling.

 

[Rockwell1]

I reckon it would work about as well as those "national don't buy gas day" emails I get every so often

 

[Kind of Blued]

^you presuppose that the ammo makers are able to "make more," or "a lot more." They can't. The machines only go so fast. There's only so many hours in a day. There's no sign of any new/existing ammo companies shelling out millions to open a new plant, and I wouldn't expect them to shell out millions based on panic and hoarding.

No, I'm suggesting that they will continue to make as much as possible until demand no longer exceeds supply. "Make more" doesn't necessarily mean "create more rounds per hour than previously". It means continue to produce ammunition. If they make one box per hour, they are still "making more".

If it turns out that demand does not return to it's previous level and instead remains "high" (or in other words, "the new status quo"), they will indeed increase their capacity for manufacturing ammunition to meet the newly increased demand, having found it to be a situation of some permanence.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Hell no.

The Factory needs to triple the production because I intend to buy three times what I have on hand now this year.