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Okay, but it's my ONLY Walmart shopping experience in two years, and after all the gossip I was stunned to see all the ammo. My local gun stores have ammo as well, albeit in their typically smaller quantities and with spot shortages, as Walmart apparently has, too. I'm really nonplussed at the Banic, now. The ammo is there. It just depends on what you like to shoot.
 
There may be no ammo shortage where you are, but try going to all the Wal-Marts in central NC and see what you find.......I dare you ;)

Add to that Dicks, Bass Pro, etc.

The shelves are bare with the exception of a few odd ball rifle calibers and some misc shotgun stuff......oh and some .17 and a few .22 calibers every know and then.

Been this way for a few months.
 
DoD-

Nathaniel Greene hit it. I grew curious about the wal-mart ammo conundrum when all this "ammo shortage" stuff started popping up on the net. So out of pure curiosity, I started stopping by my local wal-mart a couple times a week back in early March. Any time I noted mainstream calibers in stock, I made it a point to stop by the next day. In no case has the ammo lasted more than 24 hours.......
 
I travel a good bit for work, I try to make stops at Walmarts just to check. I pretty much limit myself to CCI Stingers. It's gotten knid of rare to find them. Other pistol calibers are VERY rare.

Gunshops on the other hand, while they can't compete with Walmart volumne pricing, have useable quantities of just about anything.

There is one I haven't been to recently, that had CASES of 9mm, 45, and 38 spl. all over the place.
 
Okay...that is ONE Walmart...out of how many?
We have a dozen Walmarts around here. Aside from shotgun shells, all of them rarely have more than a few boxes of .38 Special on the shelves.
The big Walmart that I used to buy ammo at has a 20-foot long, 3-shelf case. Last weekend there were 7 boxes of ammo on it. None of them were of any use to me. People buy the stuff before it hits the shelves, then either hoard it or resell it.
I buy online mostly. It's amazing when even .25acp is hard to find these days.
 
Every few weeks it seems like somebody starts a thread like "AMMO SHORTAGE IS OVER!!!" because they go to their local store and there happens to be a ton of ammo in stock. Then, there are a hundred replies from members saying, "still nothing here." As someone pointed out, you can't use one example to make a sweeping generalization.
 
You think it would have happened if he had lost the election?
Yes, probably.
Perhaps people would not have freaked out to the extent they have been, but everyone would still be panicked over the House and the Senate. It's human nature to look for excuses to panic and then to look for someone to blame.
 
jackstinson: "Okay...that is ONE Walmart...out of how many?"

Oh, I have no doubt there's some regional variation among WWs. And the WW around here (Maine, and not the Bush compound part) was out of some stuff, including some handgun calibers, which I didn't mention because I stocked up on that last month at an area gun show, though I was surprised to see WW had tons of 9mm. My point was that based on all the talk lately I expected to see ZERO cartridges, and yet nearly everything was in stock, especially RIFLEMAN calibers.
 
...you can't use one example to make a sweeping generalization.

Why not? That is what the internet is all about!:rolleyes:

There is ammunition out there, one just needs to spend some time searching.

What happens when you find that (insert store here) finally has (insert your favorite caliber here) in stock? You buy all of it, don't you? Well, that is what everyone is doing. I know that I just did it earlier this week.:evil: So, yes, the ammo is out there, but it's just not sitting on the shelves as long as it has in the past.
 
Phatty: "As someone pointed out, you can't use one example to make a sweeping generalization."

You can, though it be considerable suspect.

I guess since so many want to talk about how they can't find any ammo, we ought to start a sticky survey. The WW I visited yesterday is drivable for much of New England, so some members might want to travel to it, if they insist on buying at WW. Others may want to publicize their local "depots" so that members can travel there if drivable to obtain ammo, instead of complaining here about how there isn't any ammo in the entire world.
 
Ammo Shortage - UberUltraMasterThreadOfPower

Into this one thread, I pour all of the other threads on ammo shortages, stockages, and sundry complaints.

Enjoy. :)
 
Try buying ammo in Texas

yesterday's Austin Tx newspaper story:

Ammunition shortage hitting Central Texas
Stores and gun owners say some calibers are almost impossible to find.
By Jeremy Schwartz
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Thursday, April 23, 2009

On a recent afternoon, the shelves that usually stock handgun ammunition at the Cabela's sporting goods store in Buda sat mostly empty, save for a few stray boxes.

It was the same story at Academy a few exits up Interstate 35. And well-established Austin gun shops like Red's, McBride's and Tex-Guns report deep shortages in nearly all calibers of handgun bullets.

A nationwide bullet drought has hit Central Texas with a vengeance. Beginning around the time President Barack Obama was elected, the shortage has made some .380-, .45-, .357- and .38-caliber ammunition as rare as an Austin snowstorm.

Longtime gun dealers say the current ammunition shortage is historic. "We've seen runs on various things before, but never this sustained or this lengthy," said Chuck Wagnon, whose family owns Tex-Guns in South Austin. "It's been a buying frenzy."

"Literally we can almost sell anything we can get, and we're not getting much," said Joe McBride, owner of McBride's Guns in Austin.

The Austin shortage is just part of a nationwide paucity of ammunition that most agree began with fear that the Obama administration will regulate, ban or tax guns and ammunition.

Worry has centered on a suggestion by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder that Obama will push for a revival of an assault weapon ban that expired under President George W. Bush. And Internet rumors have run rampant, warning, among other things, that Obama plans a 500 percent tax on ammunition.

"Once the election happened, people became very concerned and began increasing purchases," McBride said. "It really started at the tail end of last year."

Last year also saw brisk gun sales, and especially of semiautomatic rifles, sparked by worry that a Democratic president would reinstate bans and waiting periods for handguns. That soon spread to ammunition, where demand quickly outstripped supply.

Although he supported a reinstatement of a ban on semi-automatic weapons during his campaign, Obama has since backed away from such sentiments.

But that hasn't slowed the demand for ammo. It's become so bad that local dealers have begun placing limits on how many rounds customers can buy, hoping to give more people a chance to buy bullets on those rare days when new stock arrives. Meanwhile, prices on some calibers have risen two or threefold since last year. On gunbroker.com, 150 rounds of hard-to-find .380-caliber bullets are selling for $125, several times as high as pre-shortage prices.

Neil Fees, a Horseshoe Bay investor, spent two days this week searching for 9 mm bullets at various Austin gun shops. He arrived at Red's shooting range in South Austin on Wednesday after hearing a tip from a fellow searcher, but soon learned Red's is saving its precious stash for those using them at its firing range.

"There just isn't anything anywhere," Fees said. "I've got a gun but no bullets ... People are freaking out."

McBride says heavy demand only tells part of the story.

"I will tell you that supply isn't existing," he said. "I hear the conclusion that people are buying everything they can buy, and there's a lot to that, but there isn't anything out there to buy."

Manufacturers insist they are producing as many bullets as they can.

"Remington Arms is operating at full capacity and will continue to do so," said Al Russo, spokesman for the North Carolina-based company. "We're producing more today and more this month than we have produced in the past."

Some longtime gun dealers believe the supply chain has simply been depleted by the recent run on ammunition.

"My guess is we'll see some loosening in four to six months," Wagnon said. "I don't think the manufacturers can make it quick enough."

The ammunition shortages have also affected law enforcement agencies across the country, particularly in smaller police and sheriff's departments. In Florence, in northern Williamson County, Police Chief Jeffery Dever said prices have spiked so dramatically that his department's ammunition budget mushroomed from about $1,000 to about $4,000.

He's also been forced to order ammunition months earlier than normal to make sure his officers have bullets. "We knew it would be difficult to get ahold of (ammunition)," he said.

Both the Travis County Sheriff's Department and the Austin Police Department say they are well positioned to weather the drought. "We haven't experienced any problems getting orders," said Travis County sheriff's department spokesman Roger Wade. "We're not ramping up orders."

Lt. Randy Pasley said the Austin Police Department orders its ammunition from a local distributor about six months in advance.

"We placed our order well before these recent things came out in the news," he said. "Right now if we manage it well and order far enough in advance, we can meet all of our needs."

Pasley said most of the department's ammunition is used during cadet training. The next class is scheduled for September, and Pasley said he doesn't expect any shortages.

But for gun owners who can't find bullets, the shortage remains acute — and troublesome.

"It makes people nervous," said Alice Tripp, the legislative director of the Texas State Rifle Association. "If you go to (gun shops) and see empty shelves, it makes people nervous and uncomfortable."
 
What pistol?

Fault may not lie with the ammo. Limpwristing, bad or damaged magazines and riding the slide release will cause the slide to not lock back.

I have several Browning Hi Powers, three Berettas, three Kahrs, Sigs and they eat 9mm CCI Blazer like it's candy.

I also shoot Blazer in .38 special, .380, and even .25 acp.

Frankly, I wouldn't own a firearm that didn't function with a particular brand of ammunition. Guns that are so ammo sensitive that they don't function properly cannot be relied on when needed most.
 
hboy35 (quoting):

"A nationwide bullet drought ..."

It ain't nationwide.

"... has hit Central Texas with a vengeance. Beginning around the time President Barack Obama was elected, the shortage has made some .380-, .45-, .357- and .38-caliber ammunition as rare as an Austin snowstorm."

Oh, come on. So some brands are sold out.

"Longtime gun dealers say the current ammunition shortage is historic."

"Historic"?

It's this sort of breathless, exaggerated reporting which I'm trying to counter, based only on my own very recent direct personal experience. Look, I'm not calling you a liar. If you can't find any ammo in TX, come to ME. We have plenty.
 
All that bogarting I've done the last 10 years is really paying off now! I could go to the range once a week for several more months and still have plenty o' .22 plinking ammo, 9mm, 7.62x25, & 7.62x39mm. Running low on 5.56x45, .308, .45 Colt, .45 acp, .38 special, and some others I like to shoot, though.
 
It did hurt my feelings to pay as much as I did for some more 45 acp. A year ago I paid 130 for 500. A few days ago I paid 289 for 500. All the places that I normally go had been out (online) and I got sick of checking stores. Not sure I'll be shooting it any time soon.

I would love to get my hands on some more of the 69 or 75gr PRVI I picked up for my SIG. That stuff shot great.
 
When i go to places that sell ammo, I post what I notice on AR15 in the Illinois hometown forum, and on illinoiscarry so others will know there either is or is not ammo at a particular store.

The last time I was at WalMart they had a lot of federal 22LR bulk packs and not much else.

I was at the farm and Fleet down the street from where I work the other day and they had a bunch of 22, 40, and 44 mag. I posted this on illinoiscarry and someone reported that it has fewer boxes now. :)

This tells me the shortage is not over, if people are running out to buy ammo based on posts on the Internet that a few boxes are currently available at a particular store.

I think to help out our fellow shooters, if you find someplace that has ammo available, make a post somewhere that local shooters will see.
 
ilbob: "I think to help out our fellow shooters, if you find someplace that has ammo available, make a post somewhere that local shooters will see."

It may inspire benevolent competition among the dealers to order larger lots. If everyone in New England starts driving to Maine to buy ammo, the WWs in NH, VT and the Dark Regions further south will take notice and freaking order more.
 
That is a great attitude to have here Duke. Not. Maybe you have ammo because your gun laws suck compared the the free parts of the country where people can shoot more types of weapons, more places and more often. Then again it could be because of the number of guns pre capita in other places.

Do you have to make a snarky comment to everyone or is it just an attempt to keep that post count climbing? Sometimes it is about quality content, not quantity.
 
Pvt Pyle: "Maybe you have ammo because your gun laws suck compared the the free parts of the country where people can shoot more types of weapons, more places and more often. Then again it could be because of the number of guns pre capita in other places."

1. Maine has practically no gun law. I carry my SAR-1 concealed. You could, if you wanted to break some laws, drive up here and pay cash for a handgun without even giving your name. Yet our crime rates are among the lowest.

2. Maine has, reportedly, the highest civilian firearms ownership rate in the nation. We're all armed to the teeth. That's why a residential burglary will make the local news.
 
It may inspire benevolent competition among the dealers to order larger lots. If everyone in New England starts driving to Maine to buy ammo, the WWs in NH, VT and the Dark Regions further south will take notice and freaking order more.
I have read elsewhere that it is not about ordering more so much as they are getting what they get from the ammo suppliers, and there just is no more to get.

Don't you think that if WalMart could get more of something that sells out within a few hours everytime they get any to the shelf that they would not be getting it in by the truck loads if it was available?

WalMart has about 3500 stores. Just getting 50 bulk packs to every store every week would mean Federal would have to make 100,000,000 rounds a week just for WalMart.
 
So that said your comments are not to contribute to the discussion in a positive manner but more to be snarky and up the post count. And yes, your comments have been noted by many as becoming more and more antagonistic, snarky and generally in no way contributing to positive discussion. Maybe you should think a bit more as to wether your comments are helpful and germane to the discussions before you post. Or not post at all.
 
Duke of Doubt said:
especially RIFLEMAN calibers

Duke, that's a bit of a broad assumption with that definition. I've read enough of your posts to realize that you know better than that! A "Rifleman" is a definition of a person, not the caliber they carry!

Mall ninjas are definitely hoarding at the moment, but the impact has gone beyond those calibers. A lot of "Riflemen" shoot AR-15's, and a lot of "Riflemen" shoot calibers that aren't quite as mainstream as the .30-06.

I really like shooting my 8mm Mauser, which -from a ballistic standpoint- compares pretty favorably to the .30-06 with handloads. I can't find components or loaded ammo for this caliber right now. Nor can I find them for many of my other guns.

I think there is some regional variation with this shortage, but it has certainly hit here!
 
PvtPyle: "So that said your comments are not to contribute to the discussion in a positive manner but more to be snarky and up the post count."

Actually, a member IM'd me to learn the location of the Walmart I visited yesterday so that he could try them, too. I'd call that a positive contribution.

"... And yes, your comments have been noted by many as becoming more and more antagonistic, snarky and generally in no way contributing to positive discussion."

Many, eh? O.K., Sybil.

"... Maybe you should think a bit more as to wether your comments are helpful and germane to the discussions before you post. Or not post at all."

Sorry, Syb. Here to stay. Deal.
 
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