still no news from eric holder

[Pilot]

I don't understand Boehner's position at all. The light of day needs to be shown on this entire scandal. Those that are responsible need to resign, or go to jail or BOTH.

 

[SwissArmyDad]

Having watched all the fast and furious proceedings available in the C-span video vault and seeing first-hand Issa's "bulldog" nature, I'd be very dissappointed if he backed down on this issue. Boehner can go pound sand, IMO.

Fox News article on the status of the contempt vote:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ents-contempt/


Quote:
Issa is under pressure from House Speaker John Boehner to drop the Fast and Furious investigation because Boehner sees it as an election-year distraction that could hurt Republicans at the polls.

 

[Dave Workman]

Maybe this will help out a bit. It's my column for Tuesday on Examiner, with a link to Codrea's column.


http://www.examiner.com/article/clock-ticking-toward-showdown-over-fast-furious?cid=db_articles

There are times I wish I'd never heard of Fast and Furious. :banghead:

 

[Sky]

I have become Comfortably Numb with certain government proceedings to protect my sanity. http://youtu.be/iJZYG5qwHHI

Would like to see a change come next year but at times, I wonder if it is a two headed Hydra and regardless of which head you see the body politic remains the same..

 

[Neverwinter]

I don't understand Boehner's position at all. The light of day needs to be shown on this entire scandal. Those that are responsible need to resign, or go to jail or BOTH.

It seems that the transparency of the dog whistle approach of Boehner's leadership is revealing itself. Compared to power, the Justice and the RKBA is secondary. If Issa receives any fallout from going around the leadership, we will all know what they really think about the RKBA.

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[rajb123]

.....the former AG gonzolez under Bush#2 was on CNBC yesterday. He was grinning a lot when the subject of F&F came up.

I beleive holder and gonzolez and others should all be held accountable for these actions. The AG is not above the law. ...ask Dick Nixon.

 

[Luger_carbine]

NRA members may be an important factor in the contempt proceedings

William La Jeunesse mentions that the NRA wants the contempt vote to move forward and may assign grades based on how congressmen and congresswomen vote.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1696905589001/will-congress-postpone-contempt-vote-against-eric-holder/

It may be time to call your legislator.

 

[alsaqr]

I beleive holder and gonzolez and others should all be held accountable for these actions. The AG is not above the law. ...ask Dick Nixon.

Bingo. Guns walked into Mexico on the watch of Gonzalez too. This Gunwalker/F&F thing is too complicated for busy politicians.

 

[Kingcreek]

Eric the withHolder.
the whole thing is disgusting.

 

[MRH]

Holder has until 10am Wednesday to produce a satisfactory number of documents. I think he (and Obama) will continue to thumb his nose at Congress. The Subcommittee may vote for the Contempt, but I seriously doubt it will get through the whole place. Democrats have to protect their own, you know.

Any real affect if it does go through?

 

[gc70]

Obama invokes executive privilege over DOJ documents

and

Obama Grants Holder Request for Executive Privilege on 'Fast and Furious' Documents

This should get VERY interesting.

 

[Kingcreek]

Fox news is reporting that Obama granted last minute exec priveledge.
No F&F documents.
Issa and the congressional commitee can't have 'em.

 

[cbrgator]

Obama just granted Holder's request to exert executive privilege with respect to the F & F documents.

Issa is moving forward with the contempt vote.

 

[rajb123]

this is dispicable.... another very poor decision by Obama

 

[beatledog7]

Seems to me the President, by granting Holder's request to hide the truth from Congress, has implicated himself. That supports the presumption that he has been involved in F&F all along and needs to ensure his political backside is covered as well as Holder's.

Big surprise.

 

[Neverwinter]

Seems to me the President, by granting Holder's request to hide the truth from Congress, has implicated himself.

Your logic intrigues me. Do you believe that Bush was involved in the death of Pat Tillman? In the firing of US attorneys? Inquiring minds want to know!

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[rajb123]

What are the implications of a comtempt of Congress citation? It is not a punishable offense; right?

Holder can carry on as before, I assume.

Has anyone talked with former AG Gonzolez? I assume F&F was started duing his rein and it would be interesting to know the rationale for its implementation.

As far as I know, the public has not been told the reasons why this was done. I assume it has something to do with promoting a climate for additional gun controls.

 

[beatledog7]

I'm not defending this sort of action for any President. In my estimation, every President (they are politicians, after all) has probably acted in such a way as cover his own ____ at some point. I won't make excuses for any of them.

 

[Jlr2267]

Your logic intrigues me. Do you believe that Bush was involved in the death of Pat Tillman? In the firing of US attorneys? Inquiring minds want to know!

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Whether he's involved or not, he has now tied himself into a perceived cover-up, which is, politically speaking, unwise.

 

[rajb123]

So ATF released weapons that were intended to end up in the hands of mexican drug cartels and this, in fact, ocurred as the ATF intended.

I don't understand why this was done. Was it for the purpose of tracing illegal gun transfers? If no, why?

 

[Neverwinter]

I'm not defending this sort of action for any President. In my estimation, every President (they are politicians, after all) has probably acted in such a way as cover his own ____ at some point. I won't make excuses for any of them.

The use of executive privilege doesn't confer guilt. Making that assumption requires one to support ridiculous positions, given the past usage of it in cases such as the Tillman investigation .

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[jdh]

Ultimately enforcement requires the use (or possibility) of force. Congress has no ability to apply physical force. Only the Executive branch does. Holder, as Obama's appointee and chief enforcer, would have to use force against himself to compel compliance.

Ain't gonna happen.

United States Capital Police Department is a legislative branch Agency. Congress does have an armed force at its disposal.

 

[cbrgator]

United States Capital Police Department is a legislative branch Agency. Congress does have an armed force at its disposal.

I'm not an expert on the powers of the Capitol Police, but I don't believe enforcing contempt citations falls within their legal jurisdiction. My understanding is that the mission of the Capitol Police is to protect members of Congress.

 

[LeonCarr]

Why can't they just tell the truth?

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

 

[beatledog7]

Use of executive privilege doesn't technically confer guilt, but neither does pleading the 5th. However, when one decides officially not to share what he knows, others inevitably suspect he knows something that would be damaging to himself or to someone else he's trying to protect.

Maybe that's not the case, but given the propensity of the current administration to leak information that should not be public knowledge for its own benefit, the idea that they are hiding something that should be publicly known in order to prevent damage to themselves falls into the highly believable category.