What kind of guns do the bad guys carry?

[crestoncowboy]

Jiminez, bryco, and Jennings. Ugh. Small time guys I guess. Upstarts maybe

 

[If1HitU]

Same kinds as the good guys..

 

[herrwalther]

Sometimes our PD officers would get overflow work from the major metro area of firearms to analyze, run numbers etc. I recall the nicest firearm I ran across was a stolen HK P30. And despite a good working relationship with the lead homicide branch, I was not allowed to shoot a few magazines through it on the police range with my own ammo. The selection range was quite impressive. I had inmates who did armed robbery with pellet guns, 22s, and paintball guns. Everything was a "Glock" or "Gat" regardless who made it. It was quite humorous to hear an inmate who committed armed robbery against a Lowes refer to a pellet gun as a "Glock."

 

[FROGO207]

Gunny thank you again for another interesting thread. My first thought was most firearms on that list would be the "cheap and stolen" variety. I think some of the choices are due to the cost of ammo though. One box of 9MM/40 split up amongst a few gang members is way cheaper and easier to obtain than a box of say 357 SIG for one pistol that they have. Now I can't wait for the year end total to be announced.

 

[earlthegoat2]

That mouseguns article someone posted a hit back agrees with your list.

Do you see many revolvers?

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Gunny thank you again for another interesting thread. My first thought was most firearms on that list would be the "cheap and stolen" variety. I think some of the choices are due to the cost of ammo though. One box of 9MM/40 split up amongst a few gang members is way cheaper and easier to obtain than a box of say 357 SIG for one pistol that they have. Now I can't wait for the year end total to be announced.

The thugs send juvenile into the local Academy Sports to steal ammo. The ammo is out on the shelves and they just take a few rounds from each box. That’s how some of them get their ammo.

We had a homicide this morning. A guy saw the light come on in his car. He armed himself and went outside and confronted the suspect. The suspect fired several rounds through the car door from inside, killing the owner.
I’ll have the cartridge cases in the morning and will see if I can tell what Gun the suspect used.

 

[The Liberal]

The thugs send juvenile into the local Academy Sports to steal ammo. The ammo is out on the shelves and they just take a few rounds from each box. That’s how some of them get their ammo.

We had a homicide this morning. A guy saw the light come on in his car. He armed himself and went outside and confronted the suspect. The suspect fired several rounds through the car door from inside, killing the owner.
I’ll have the cartridge cases in the morning and will see if I can tell what Gun the suspect used.

That is terrible. Killing for change...I hope you can find that killer and lock him away.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

The S&W SW and SD series of guns are very popular. They are the most common gun found in police evidence. There are two reasons why. Number one is cost. A new SD9VE can be bought for under $350. And second,it functions like a Glock. Sometimes refereed to as the poor mans Glock.

There are some days when you enter a THR thread, and you find someone else living in your head space...

I have a running a database of every gun that has been carried by one of my security officers in the last 17 years. SW & SD series guns have almost the exact same total as all models of Glock.

I'm pretty sure that almost every single one of them was bought from an Academy because it was the cheapest thing in the case that didn't obviously suck at first blush.

 

[mdThanatos]

I work closely with law enforcement and have seen a shift from criminals carrying cheap firearms to more common ones. Five years ago it would be rare to catch someone with a fully loaded magazine, but now it is the norm. More often than not it is a mix of ammo but still, the criminals are changing their routine.

 

[HB]

people forget to mention thousand of guns are imported to the US via illegal channels and this is the firearms black market. they can smuggle almost anything in and sell to anyone and that right there is the problem and more reason to carry,

I would wager the vast majority of guns in police evidence rooms are via straw purchase by girlfriend or stolen from a family member.

Great report Gunny. I work in the rental car business and have personally found 2 guns in a year. A shield and a sigma type smith and wesson. One of my employees found a walther ccp. All were in uncle mikes holsters either iwb or crappy nylon.

HB

 

[Jeb Stuart]

I remember about about the time the LCP came out 10 years ago, I was in a very well known gun shop and standing at the counter. Some guy came in and could not pass the requirements after the forms were sent in. The clerks behind the counter actually told him to go out and find a Aunt or Uncle with a good record and come back and get the gun for him, they would put it aside until then. He left and one clerk said to the other "That gun is sold". This particular store had been around for years. Now this was about 10 years ago, and I doubt any LGS would do this now. But at the time, I thought it was very unsettling to see it happen. I talked to one LG and he told me, most were "Cash" buyers.
I meet a guy at a range one day that owned a used car lot near a savory part of town. He carried a lot of foreign cars like Audi, BMW etc. He said he had a clientele that would come in, find the car they wanted, go back out and bring in a "Aunt" to make the Purchase. They always paid in Cash, Credit was not their game.

 

[H&R Glock]

Wayne La Pierre, in the latest American Rifleman wrote of the Chicago method of prosecuting gun criminals. "Put them back on the streets."
He lays the heavy gun crime problem on the authorities.
BTW....Gunny...... what ever happened to the "sawed off shotgun"???

 

[GunnyUSMC]

BTW....Gunny...... what ever happened to the "sawed off shotgun"???

Which one?

 

[GunnyUSMC]

There are some days when you enter a THR thread, and you find someone else living in your head space...

I have a running a database of every gun that has been carried by one of my security officers in the last 17 years. SW & SD series guns have almost the exact same total as all models of Glock.

I'm pretty sure that almost every single one of them was bought from an Academy because it was the cheapest thing in the case that didn't obviously suck at first blush.

There are people that turn their nose up when it comes to the S&W SW and SD guns. Now the SW did have a terrible trigger, but the guns worked. The SD was an improvement. They have a nicer trigger, better texture on the grip and a updated profile to the slide. Another thing is the magazines for the SW fit the SD. I have had some pretty rough ones that lived a hard life and still worked.
I also like the fact that they are popular because, they mark very well and are easy to match up.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Here is what I get to look at everyday.
This is a screenshot of the primmer of a 9mm cartridge case. It was picked up at a homicide that happened the other day. By the markings I can tell that it was fired from a Taurus PT111G2 or the G2C


These next two pics is the first pic on the left and two different cartridge cases fired from the same type of gun.


Here is another one that’s easy to spot but sometimes mistaken for a Glock. This is from a Springfield XDS.


Can you tell the difference from the Glock on the right?

 

[Fiv3r]

The problem with Straw Purchases is that the Fed's don't feel that it is worth there time, unless they have something else to tack on. A Straw Purchase may get a person one year. Now if they can get a store for knowingly allowing Straw Purchases, that's a big chicken dinner.

I figured that it was a much bigger liability for the store than the buyer. I saw the firearms counter guy at a local Rural King have a couple customers forcefully escorted out of the building. A guy was "helping his daughter buy a gun" and kept picking up this larger guns and raccoon-fingering them while she just watched. He might have been more convincing if he had actually let her hold one. I was looking at a full size Taurus and the poor girl didnt look like she knew what the business was.

The counter guy confronted him questioning it and the guy got agitated. He started making a scene, and the door them escorted him.

Could the gun counter guy have been wrong? Maybe. But what' the loss of a $400 pistol compared to a visit by the ATF.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Here is an update. Guns fired today.
380 Auto:
(1) Glock 42 (found property)
(1) BERSA Thunder ( Homicide)

9mm:
(1) Glock 17 G4 (stolen/felon in poss.)
(1) Beretta APX (stolen/felon in poss.)
(1) Ruger SR9c (Found property)
(1) SCCY CPX-1 (drugs)

40 S&W:
(1) Glock 23 (found property)

5.56:
(1) S&W M&P-15 (found property)

 

[WTBguns10kOK]

Most of the shootings in the city I work in are drug related. We had right at 100 homicides last year and even more attempt murders. The average victim in shootings is a black male 16 to 26 years of age and the average shooter is a black male 16 to 26 years of age.

Always good to remind people who to watch out for. Certainly supports the fact at 3/4 of all mass shootings are done by blacks.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

You will find that there is more violent crime in lower income areas. But that is also where you will find more drugs.
I spent 4.5 years working in the district that had the highest crime rate. I dealt with some very bad people. Barley a day went buy that I didn't have to draw my weapon. I was in a physical altercation almost every week. But I also met some very nice people.

 

[edwardware]

I was asked if I knew what type of gun was used. I told them from the breach face markings that it was most likely a CZ75 or a variant.

Nice work! I often look at breach marks on heads and try to link to brand. I think I can ID Glock, Sig, and 1911ish (especially with weak pin springs) pistols.

 

[Captcurt]

I went to a police auction a couple of years ago. Out of about 200 guns there was maybe 30-40 that I would own. The rest were in very poor condition or simply junk. They had them in lots of 20, so you had to buy 20 to get 4 or 5 that was worth having. There were several that I would be afraid to shoot.

 

[Gridley]

5.56:
(1) S&W M&P-15 (found property)

What does "found property" mean? An item that had been reported lost/stolen?

When you get rifles, how often do you see accessories? Optics, lights, etc.?

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

Interesting information Gunny.
Based on those photos,and your explanation, I guess the TV cop shows are getting it right when they identify the gun type based on the casings at the scene.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

What does "found property" mean? An item that had been reported lost/stolen?

When you get rifles, how often do you see accessories? Optics, lights, etc.?

Found Property is just that, Found Property. Like when you walk out of your house in the morning and you find a gun in your yard.
When the bad guys run from the police they tend to throw down anything that they don't want on them if they are caught. Guns and drugs are the first things they throw. Sometimes they hide them (not so good) at night and they are found by someone before they are able to get back to them.
Sometimes these guns are in great shape, bt sometimes the look like this.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Interesting information Gunny.
Based on those photos,and your explanation, I guess the TV cop shows are getting it right when they identify the gun type based on the casings at the scene.

Yes, but it's not as fast and easy.