Zumbo: Gun rag writer trashes "Assault Weapons"

[1776 Rebel]

On Guntalk with Gresham is the Nuge...Oh man, the most high exhalted one, Ted Nugent is spitting, stuttering and practically apoplectic over the fact that Zumboni is not being accepted back by the gun owning public!!! PLEASE, HE’S MY FRIEND…let’s all just get along…Jimbo is coming over the house any minute to break bread with me and my family!!! This is the guy who spouts vulgarisms 24x7 about folks HE doesn’t like. Well now the worm has turned Teddy boy. Me thinks you may be starting to sound like another Teddy…At least Gresham's decency is consistent.

 

[ryoushi]

The Enemy Is Not Impressed


Well it's one week later and the online gun community is euphoric over the trashing of Jim Zumbo's long career. I haven't seen this much chest thumping since Powerline, Free Republic, et al took down Dan Rather.

Jim Zumbo was an easy target. He was vulnerable to the pressure brought to bear by the shooting community because he was/is a member of that community. We have a huge fight coming up in this next AWB and we are facing some pretty hard targets. Our targets in this next fight are immune to Remington or Outdoor Life boycotts because their "customers" are our sworn enemies, the gun control lobby and their constituants.

Zumbo was easy and I'll admit it, for awhile it was fun, but we'll have to fight much smarter from here on out. Sophomoric taunts like ZUMBO DUMBO or HITLERY will not cut it against George Soros and The Brady Campaign. If this Zumbo flap is the best we can do, we'll get thoroughly "pwned" by Schumer & Co.

 

[FerFAL]

Nuget is insulting those that don’t accept/believe Zumbo’s excuses over at his forum. He can go hit a few bullets with his head along with his elitist buddy for all I care.
Upgraded Zumbo my ***.

FerFAL

 

[jamz]

Who among us has not once been wrong?

Who among us has not been misinformed, or prejudiced, or dismissed something because we did not know enough about it?

Who among us has not been ignorant about something that others have felt was extremely important?

Every month I read a post by a newbie here who was once anti-gun, supported assault weapons bans, disliked guns, had preconceived notions if gun owners as dangerous rednecks. They are here because, for one reason or another, they eventually saw the light.

I speak from personal experience. While never actually anti-gun, I can tell you that the 1994 AWB meant absolutely nothing to me- did not care even a little bit. However, opening myself up to the (mainly THR) gun community, and doing a bit of reading, I became what you might call self educated regarding the RKBA, and I now consider it really my sole point in voting, and one of the very few things I am really passionate about. While it’s great to have an average Joe become a feverent supporter of the 2nd A, imagine what it would be like to have a talented and respected writer, who has the capability of reaching a huge audience, become a feverent supporter of the 2nd A.

Jim Zumbo, after forty years of writings, articles, books, etc has a huge following of folks, “gun owners” who share his anti-black gun beliefs. Just imagine how powerful it could be, what an immensely powerful tool it would be for the 2nd amendment, if this hugely respected author who once very publically came out against scary firearms ( and hence the 2nd A in general) to become educated, and start telling people “Hey, I once didn’t like black guns either, but lemme tell ya, now I know the Truth, and you should too.” Even though he’s recently disgraced himself and lost a lot of venues for communication, I bet he could get quite a few back.

Again, imagine what a powerful tool he could be…..f, and it is indeed an if, he sees the light. And if he ever does, we owe it to ourselves and our countrymen to give him more chances to achieve that end.




There is no one so zealous in a cause as one who has converted from the other side.

 

[Cosmoline]

Whatever we think about the man, and whatever hard feelings are left, we have to bring Zumbo back now that he's been punished. Not out of some spirit of brotherhood or kindness, but simply because we need him. Only Zumbo can fix the damage Zumbo did. He needs to be out at the front lines explaining his error to the mainstream press and using this as an opportunity to educate the public. If we bury him in a hole nobody will be able to undo the damage of his blog posting.

 

[madmike]

It's the phrasing.

If every TEC, MAC, Raven, Lorcin and similar piece of trash disappeared tomorrow I wouldn't care in the slightest.

But there ARE people for whom those guns are fun, or the best they can afford. So I won't tolerate any discussion of actively doing anything to stop their production or sale. I won't buy one, but I won't stop anyone else.

It doesn't matter if they have an "aura" or if they're stereotypical for certain activity. An ugly gun is still a gun. If you can ban one, you can ban them all.

If Zumbo had said, "The game departments should review these weapons for compliance with hunting standards if they haven't already," I could have dropped him a line and said, "They have."

But he said, "They should be banned from hunting." Well, that's likely a poor choice of phrasing. He doesn't have a degree in English Rhetoric, that I know of.

And using the "T" word was definitely offensive.

I think he really DOES want to apologize. I don't think he means "Only for hunting." He's just so tied up WITH hunting that to him, shooting IS hunting.

But no pass until he does something proactive.

 

[2400]

Nuget is insulting those that don’t accept/believe Zumbo’s excuses over at his forum. He can go hit a few bullets with his head along with his elitist buddy for all I care.
Upgraded Zumbo my ***.

I agree with you FerFAL, I copied this yesterday from his post (on Nuges board) about Zumbo bashers.

anyone who so foolishly is ignoring the clear & obvious apology & upgrade here, plz dont bother posting. go to some hippie turd chewing bubba drunka$$ website & grovel there plz. here we demand upgrade. whattaconcept. Jeff, Ward, Mike, zap all a$$holes the hell out of my campfire plz. no punks allowed.

I don't know who appointed Nugent as MY spokesman but I don't like it. Another guy that seems to believe "it's my way or the highway". See you later Ted.

 

[bogie]

Guys, we must behave like gentlemen. Deal with it.

Zumbo is welcome to go shooting with me. I'll even put him up at Knob Creek. Give him a crash course in the "dark" side...

 

[Shaughn Leayme]

Personally, he crossed a line that he cannot come back from with me and I really don't believe that in the land of propaganda and misinformation, omission, half truths and outright lies and slight of hand employed by the Anti gun folks and their media lackeys, that anything Jim Zumbo can do, will help.

Before someone says that is so short sighted and wrong, that I should give him a chance to reform, I know people just like him that hold similar views, not just on the "Black Rifles", but other things like CCW and nothing will change them, we get along by not discussing the point, they don't start it, I don't finish it, quite a few are dedicated hunters and/or dedicated shooters and have seen a lot of evidence provided by me that shows CCW as a benefeit, but it doesn't matter, they don't see the need and even in one case, where if they had had a CCW, they wouldn't have been beaten and robbed, it didn't change the perspective.

Do I have too narrow a perspective, am I biased or have I been around the wrong crowd, maybe, but, since most of the people I reference are minimum 60 yrs, it seems a prevalent mindset, in regards to either Black Rifles, Hunting or CCW take your pick, dependent on the person referenced.

Just my opinion.

 

[phydaux]

I took a trip over to Nugent's forum, what a nut!


Quote Nuge;
" he is truly sorry. ya hafta be a real putz to ignore that. I have personally promised to kill him if he wavers. with a blackrifle."



That kind of statement is not doing our 2nd A rights any good.

Too much hero worship and a$$ kissin' by the "members".

 

[ReadyontheRight]

When I recommended on the Nuge board that Zumbo could go a Loooooong way by stopping all the talk about "I'm going hunting with an AR" and start saying that the Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting.

I was pointed to a posting where Mr. Zumbo says "Of course I know the Second Amendment is about more than hunting". Well, he didn't appear to know it a week ago and he is still not saying that publicly outside of one posting.

If he can stop equating the right to keep and bear arms with hunting, I think he will make a big leap that might actually help the cause of Liberty.

Saying "Oops, I guess I'll let someone pay for me to take one of those new-fangled rifles out hunting" is just more elitist wheel-spinning.

 

[madmike]

Shaughn is right.

He could do anything at this point. The antis are only going to quote the soundbite that works for them.

 

[TCB in TN]

I have read some entirely ignorant statements coming from some hunters on the BillingsGazette site.

Other than prarie dogs, I would not recommend hunting with these rifles unless they are set up for it. They are real great to play with but are not to practical for hunting and can be a safety issue in the wrong hands.

WHAT? Maybe I am just a little niave, but exactly how is an AR or an AK any more "dangerous" than any other rifle that can be used for hunting? PLEASE if you know any of these morons who are making these statements try to set them straight.:banghead:

 

[benEzra]

Here's a civvie AK lookalike "set up for hunting"...

SAR-1, 4x scope, 5-round hunting magazine.

 

[MikePGS]

I'm listening to gun talk right now (the downloaded version of yesterdays show) and i agree that Nugent is a tool. Not only am i still bitter about him ruining one of the best radio stations in detroit some years ago, but the fact that he seems to be under the impression that his endorsement completely clears the slate is ridiculous. I think that Zumbo severely regrets what he said, and i agree with the guy from gun talk in that he probably isn't all that much of a gun guy so much as he is a hunting guy (In my opinion he probably was implying that AR's aren't as sporting as a boltaction... but of course thats just my opinion)... that being said, even if i had been up for a week straight i still wouldn't be out of my mind to the point where i'd call AR's "Terrorist" rifles.

 

[bogie]

Guys, first day of deer season, there's no way I'm getting in a tree stand. More like a foxhole. Because Bubba's out there. I've met Bubba at the conservation range. Bubba scares me.

He's blown $125 on an SKS, along with a box of hollowpoints. Don't even try to explain to him that they're not going to work well on Bambi. They're _hollowpoints_, and he saw on TV that they're deadly. He sends half the box downrange, announces that it's sighted in, and then proceedes to sideways fire a 9mm at any target downrange. Or maybe he's trying to aim, but it ain't working...

He stuffs the rest of his ammo in the SKS, tucks it in the case, and tosses it in the back of his pick-'em-up. By some miracle, it doesn't go off. Probably because the muzzle was pointed at him instead of me. He's got a rebel flag, a whizzin' calvin, and a no fear sticker. He's set.

First day of deer season, he stays up all night with his buddies. They're having a good ol' time. At dawn, he wanders out, and at the first sign of "fur," he unloads. And after he misses or wounds with the first one, he starts trying followup shots. And the dang deer NEVER runs next to his pick'em'up truck...

IMHO, they oughta limit hunters to single-shot rifles until they're 40 or so...

 

[ebd10]

He's blown $125 on an SKS, along with a box of hollowpoints. Don't even try to explain to him that they're not going to work well on Bambi. They're _hollowpoints_, and he saw on TV that they're deadly. He sends half the box downrange, announces that it's sighted in...

That's funny, I've witnessed the same thing except he was armed with a lever action 30-30 with the see-through scope mounts.

He stuffs the rest of his ammo in the SKS, tucks it in the case, and tosses it in the back of his pick-'em-up. By some miracle, it doesn't go off. Probably because the muzzle was pointed at him instead of me. He's got a rebel flag, a whizzin' calvin, and a no fear sticker. He's set.

First day of deer season, he stays up all night with his buddies. They're having a good ol' time. At dawn, he wanders out, and at the first sign of "fur," he unloads. And after he misses or wounds with the first one, he starts trying followup shots. And the dang deer NEVER runs next to his pick'em'up truck...

Yup, that's the guy. So he's usin' and SKS now, huh?

 

[madmike]

That's funny, I've witnessed the same thing except he was armed with a lever action 30-30 with the see-through scope mounts.

Or .35 rem or .30-06...and staples a paper plate at the 50 yard line. With sandbag and scope, he manages to get 5 rounds on a plate at 50. He nods in satisfaction.

I'm two lanes over, my buddy the former Marine is spotting and calling, and I'm using iron sights to ping a silhouette at 100 yards, until we get bored and try to shoot a smiley in the head, and then shoot out a staple so we'll have an excuse to change targets.

And Fudd gives us this nasty look because of our "military type" weapons.

 

[SteveS]

So, now we have moved on from a well deserved reaming of a writer to trashing hunters? Nice.

While I have witnessed some of the shooting you have described the weekend before deer season, I have also seen plenty of great examples of non-hunters, including gangsta' style, and a John Woo fan shooting two pistols at a time.

 

[madmike]

Oh, absolutely. There are mall ninjas just as bad.

But I don't hear mall ninjas saying they don't care if Marlins get banned.

 

[bogie]

If I'm going "full woo" I'm hitting what I'm aiming at. When you work up to it, two-handed full-speed point shooting can be really trippy in a zen sorta way. When you just grab a couple of portable boomsticks, and start blasting, well, that's stupid and dangerous.

And I'm by myself at the short bus... er... end of the pistol range.

I somewhat understand how Zumbo was feeling. I'm also willing to cut him some slack, and see if we can get some positive spin out of it. ANY positive spin.

Or we can just wallow in the muck. Y'all's choice.

 

[SteveS]

They have never even heard of a Marlin...not tactical enough.

Besides Zumbo, most hunters don't support a ban. In all my years of hunting and working with hunting groups, I can honestly say that the number of hunters that would support a ban is very low. I would say that it is just the same, percentage-wise, as the number of other gun owners that are apathetic and would support some kind of ban on a gun that they don't have.

 

[Eleven Mike]

They have never even heard of a Marlin...not tactical enough.

Marlin could make a killing if they just introduced the 336 as a brand-new tactical entry rifle. They could market a version with black synthetic furniture, an ACOG, assault sling, etc. And they wouldn't call the chambering .30-30. They would have some new .30-30 loading worked up, with a blunt hollow-point and call it 7.62 by - uh - whatever the .30-30 casing mics out at.

 

[Eleven Mike]

Here we are, post 1000.

 

[Eleven Mike]

And Reply #1000.