Zumbo: Gun rag writer trashes "Assault Weapons"

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Doggy Daddy,

Thanks for the link and info.

Does "advertiser sponsored" mean it's a pop-up zoo?

I think that I'll give it a test drive.

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As for the Zumbo-laya stew, I'm not ready to add anyone to my boycott list, yet. I'm like SM; I'll watch the pot for a few weeks to see what cooks off.
 
I'm one of those arf guys ... though I don't post frequently there ... I agree with the generality that "hunters" seem to be in a stupor about their 2A rights. The FUDD moniker comes into play because these people think that the Brady Bunch won't touch their guns and they vote for Hillary and Obama and people like that. FUDDs are keeping WI from getting "shall issue" ... and Jim Zumbo is the quintessential FUDD ... you own a gun he doesn't like? You are a terrorist and he publicly calls upon the goverment to ban it. Take it with a grain of salt because this is just a matter of jargon ... it might seem sophmoric but at least it's better than calling him something less flattering but just as true.
 
Thanks to force quit for this link, back in post #502. I will post it again here:
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

If you have posted in this thread and still have not sent a message to your representative, DO SO NOW!

As for the comments about hunters, remember - we need them on the side of the 2A and RKBA. State coffers are full of hunting and fishing money. Not so much from those of us who are "EBR" shooters but don't hunt/fish. From the view of state government there is a tendency to protect hunting more so that the other shooting sports or collectors. Just follow the money.

I am 36 years old and have been shooting for over 25 years, but I went hunting for the first time this season. I put $46 in the DNR accout.

Perhaps we also need to remind our state reps that shooters also put money in the state account - in the form of sales tax - on rifles, ammunition, realoading supplies, parts, paper targets, gunsmith services, etc. That's probably far more than the $46 I spent on a deer tags.


If your interested, here's my letter...


To the Honorable Steve Buyer:

Thank you for taking the time to read my letter.

I am writing to ask for your help to DEFEAT HR1022.

The main focus of this bill is to reinstate the so-called "assault weapons" ban. I am a firm supporter of the Second Amendment and HR1022 is a blatant infringement on the rights of all citizens whose rights are protected by the Constitution.

I stand firmly against the piecemeal erosion of ALL the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, even if lawmakers show some perceived benefit in the form of greater security.

I look forward to your reply, which I will do my best to share with friends and family.

Sincerely,
Kludge
 
Thanks for the link.

To the several who have posted links to Congress Critters, thank you. My letter, via E-mail, to my rep., Tim Ryan.

Dear Sir,
Regarding the recent introduction of Bill number 1022, a reintroduction of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, I sincerely hope that you will not support such meaningless legislation. The previous bill served no measureable purpose after ten years of failure. Bills such as this only serve to polarize your constituency over cosmetic features of firearms. They further serve to endanger the rights of the Law Abiding with little to no impact on the criminal element in our society. Enforcement of existing laws is the only logical choice to lower crime rates and serve your constituency best.

Thank you for your time and for the job you've been doing, representing the Mahoning Valley in our Nations capitol.

Sincerely,
Chris Garlich

Further thoughts about Jim Zumbo. While I cannot relish the thought of watching a man lose his career, I find it to be the only choice left to us until he mends his ways and proves it. A few hunts with the Motor City Madman won't cut it. The lame apology won't cut it. A firm "I was wrong, here's why and here's how I'm going about fixing the damage I've done." is needed. Until then, I will not knowingly support Zumbo through his magazines or sponsors. Decisions made by a company reflecting their percieved demographic (ie, most want XYZ) is fine. To say that anything other than XYZ should be illegal or is wrong is not acceptable. To whit, the Ruger flap. The fact of low capacity firearms wasn't the issue, it was the active denial of higher capacity. Many are showing their cards now, I'll play my hand accordingly.
 
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For example, see: http://guntards.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=138#p138
 
simonov

Sorry, dude.

We don't do "low road" personal attacks here.

I understand the "spirit" of the thing, but no.

We've got bigger fish to fry.
 
The Bad News: Zumbo's comments picked up by the Brady crowd and used against us.:uhoh: :fire:

The Good News: Near universal comdemnation by shooters of all stripes, likely to put fear in wavering Dem's and grow some spine in wavering Repub's.:) :D

Don
 
Main Stream Media is picking this up now

Here is an article from todays Chattanoogan (TN) newspaper:

The Blog Heard 'Round The Industry
Jim Zumbo angers firearm enthusiasts
by Jim Shepherd
February 20, 2007


Jim Zumbo, Hunting Editor for Outdoor Life magazine, angered firearms enthusiasts across the country with a weekend blog posting. His blog has now been suspended and sponsors are severing ties with Zumbo in spite of his apology.

This article is provided by Jim Shepherd in association with the "Outdoor Wire," a feed service specializing in the outdoor industry.

Legendary hunting writer Jim Zumbo has incurred the wrath of thousands of shooting enthusiasts with a weekend posting on his now-suspended blog for Outdoor Life magazine.

In the posting, Zumbo said "assault rifles" (or "terrorist" rifles as he went on to refer to them) had "no place" among "our hunting community." Adding that in his "humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting" because "We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern."

Zumbo went on to say "game departments should ban them from the praries (sic) and woods."

That kicked off a firestorm among owners of so-called "black rifles". Within hours, internet sites had reproduced the offending blog, kicking off thousands of angry emails and internet postings.

Subsequently, in what may one day be classified as the worst apology ever written (aptly titled "I was wrong, BIG TIME") Zumbo attempted to soothe readers, attributing his remarks to being tired following a long day of hunting coyotes in extreme weather conditions.

He went on to recount his 40 years of NRA membership and the United States Sportsmen's Alliance, an organization, which, he wrote, "actively fights anti-hunters and animal rights groups for hunter's rights." He also told readers he had plans to go hunting with an AR-style rifle to give them a try.

At that point, however, there was little, if anything, that would assuage an angry horde of electronically mobilized AR fans. They considered Zumbo's remarks as being tantamount to a sellout, with Zumbo offering up "black rifles" as a sacrificial lamb for anti-gun forces.

In an appearance on Tom Gresham's national radio show "Gun Talk" Sunday afternoon, Zumbo attempted to apologize, but listeners didn't seem to be buying his verbal apology. If anything, any attempt to assuage them only fanned the flames of outrage.

Over the course of the afternoon and evening, various executives associated with Zumbo posted their own comments on his blog site, attempting to deflect the anger at directed at Zumbo away from their companies.

It didn't work.

Instead, they found themselves under attack with angry feedback calling for everything from a boycott of all Remington products (a pair of Remington execs were mentioned as having been with Zumbo on his now ill-fated hunting trip) to cancellation of Outdoor Life magazine subscriptions and campaigns against all companies with connections to Zumbo.

Yesterday morning, responding to an onslaught of negative publicity, Remington CEO and President Tommy Millner released a statement severing "all sponsorship ties with Mr. Zumbo, effective immediately."

Zumbo was entitled to his opinion, Millner wrote, but the inflammatory comments were solely his and did not reflect the views of Remington.

"Remington has spent tens of millions of dollars defending our Second Amendment rights to privately own and possess firearms, " wrote Millner, "and we will continue to vigorously fight to protect these rights. As hunters and shooters of all interest levels, we should strive to utilize this unfortunate occurrence to unite as a whole in support of our Second Amendment rights."

In conclusion, Millner expressed regret at the termination of a long-standing relationship with a "well-respected writer and life-long hunter."

Outdoor Life announced they were discontinuing the "Hunting With Zumbo" blog "for the time being" due to the "controversy surrounding Jim Zumbo's latest postings."

Their notice went on to remind readers "Outdoor Life has always been, and will always be, a steadfast supporter of our Second Amendment rights which do not make distinctions based on the looks of the firearms we choose to own, shoot and take hunting."

Yesterday, anyone who didn't comment risked being lumped in with anti-gun forces. Any voices calling for reason and tolerance found themselves shouted down. And those writers professing support for Mr. Zumbo privately certainly weren't willing to go on the record with that support.

Additionally, Cabela's has not yet dropped their sponsorship of the Jim Zumbo Outdoors television show, Cabela's Frank Ross is being quoted as having said their legal department is "currently reviewing contractual obligations and commitments regarding our sponsorship of the Jim Zumbo Outdoors television show. "

"Jim's comments are as unfortunate as they are inappropriate," said National Shooting Sports Foundation president Doug Painter. "No one should divide firearms into good-gun, bad-gun categories."

Zumbo's ill-considered blog may not have been intended to create good-gun, bad-gun categories, but it has certainly raised firebrand rhetoric to an art form. Rather than hunters being supported by recreational and competitive shooting enthusiasts, they have now become "Fudds" to shooters who feel they have been labeled "terrorists" by a "hard-core hunter."

It's truly not a pretty picture, but may observers say it accurately reflects a widening gap between "traditional" and "non-traditional" shooting enthusiasts.

With Congress reconsidering the Assault Weapon Ban and Connecticut and New Jersey considering legislation that would limit handgun purchases to one per month, this latest schism is already being used as further evidence of the "need" to regulate firearms -all firearms - more stringently.

Jim Shepherd
 
A few months ago my neighbor came back from Iraq. He had spent a year over there in some of the worst hell-holes they had. I welcomed him home and as he thanked me for my words, I was compelled to thank him for what he had done for me.
Now more thanks are needed.
Folks, step back an take a look at what we've accomplished by working together. So far, Remington, High Mountain Foods and Mossy Oak Camo have dropped him like a hot rock. Outdoor life is thinking about their options and (AFAIK) only Gerber Knives has chosen to stick by him. If we could hang together like this all the time we could not only elect Ron Paul President, we could probably revoke Hillary's citizenship!
We did good!! But don't spend too much time patting yourselves on the back, there's still work to do. Google the addresses of those who did as we asked and thank them for their action. Then write to those who are still in the "thinking" stage and remind them that we won't forget and they'd better not either. As for Gerber, they make a good product but so does Bench Made and several other companies. Write 'em and remind them of that.
 
I thought the article did a good job until Jim Shepherd wrote the following statements in his conclusion:

"Rather than hunters being supported by recreational and competitive shooting enthusiasts, they have now become "Fudds" to shooters who feel they have been labeled "terrorists" by a "hard-core hunter."


I don't see this schism. We've seen a couple references, but all in all, I am pleased as how the "traditional" and "non-traditional" communities have shown solidarity on this issue.

...this latest schism is already being used as further evidence of the "need" to regulate firearms -all firearms - more stringently.


Where did this conclusion come from???

I can't see how a mass of outrage over being sold out is grounds for drawing a conclusion to do EXACTLY what we are outraged about!

If anything, it shows that we are a strong force!

John
 
observers say it accurately reflects a widening gap between "traditional" and "non-traditional" shooting enthusiasts.
I guess I don't see that at all. I see an incident like this bringing all shooters closer together. After all, it's everyone's rights who are ultimately at stake here. I'd be curious to know who these "observers" are. It wouldn't surprise me if they're from the gun control crowd trying to drive a wedge.
 
Jim Shepard's conclusions are a little whacked, no?
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It's truly not a pretty picture, but may observers say it accurately reflects a widening gap between "traditional" and "non-traditional" shooting enthusiasts.

With Congress reconsidering the Assault Weapon Ban and Connecticut and New Jersey considering legislation that would limit handgun purchases to one per month, this latest schism is already being used as further evidence of the "need" to regulate firearms -all firearms - more stringently.

Excuse me? That's not what I've gotten out of this at all. Regardless, see what you've caused, Zumbo?
 
Post counter!

Aside: Does Mr. Jim Shepard read this forum? The content of his article is almost all info that can be gotten by reading this (so far 24-page long) thread. Cool!

Anyway, about the mobilization efforts suggested by hso and oldfart and others. We need a way to quantify the persons who took time to write on all forums/blogs, and use the same math or models that are used by politicians to extrapolate how many VOTERS that number works out to be. Then promulgate that, emphasizing the tax dollars and spending power of that group of people.

Then figure out sponsorship dollars lost to OL from the pull-out of Remington and others; and emphasize that these ecompanies will pull sponsorship from anti-gun politicians as well. Now, maybe the known anti-2a pols don't care, since they don't get any money from Remington anyway. But the fence-sitting and/or new congresspersons might think about it.

There's alot of ways to go with this. To all who have written their representatives, I salute you! If a rep gets the message that enough of his/her voting block will leave him over this single issue then we can make a difference.

Not being the career campaign advisor I play on TV, I am eager to hear more comments.
C-
 
"With Congress reconsidering the Assault Weapon Ban and Connecticut and New Jersey considering legislation that would limit handgun purchases to one per month, this latest schism is already being used as further evidence of the "need" to regulate firearms -all firearms - more stringently"

Gentlemen,

I think he may mean that some hunters and the Brady stooges who are already quoting Zumbo will use the quotes as ammo to get handguns and AR, AK, etc banned or restricted.

There are hunters and others who own guns who do support some restrictions... as long as they are not affected.

Steve
 
Traditionally I have been a black rifle shooter for more than twenty years.

My daddy shot one, I shoot one, and my boys will shoot one when they are old enough (if they want to). None of us have ever hunted with one, or target shot with one or used it for any other sporting purpose. I don't use it for self defense. I never intend to use it any of these ways. I hope that I never have to use it for its intended purpose.

If you want to use one for sporting purposes or self defense you are welcome to, I am sure it is good for that kind of stuff. But that isn't why I have one, I have other guns for those reasons. The 'sportsmen' in this country still just don't get it. Like JZ they have their head stuck in the sand to 50 years ago. That is why they are in the Brady Camp.
 
Zumbo's ill-considered blog may not have been intended to create good-gun, bad-gun categories, but it has certainly raised firebrand rhetoric to an art form. Rather than hunters being supported by recreational and competitive shooting enthusiasts, they have now become "Fudds" to shooters who feel they have been labeled "terrorists" by a "hard-core hunter." -Jim Shepherd

Most recreational and competitive shooting enthusiasts support hunters and their 2nd Amendment rights just fine. I don't see many calls from that quarter to ban "traditional" arms from public lands.

Live and let live, we should all be together in this fight to keep our arms.

This overwhelming response against Zumbo's attack is intended a strong message to those who would gladly sell out their fellow law-abiding gun owners in order to keep the wolves at bay.
 
Confession

My arms purchases have previously been biased in favor of "traditional-looking" pieces (wood, blue, and well-known target brands).

While I'm still not a big fan of direct-gas impingement actions, I'm no longer going to let "blackness" of rifle be any kind of determining factor.

The very idea that my purchases were any "safer" from the rights grabbers than anyone else's was wholly misguided.

Aesthetics aside, a rifle is what it is. Synthetics hold up better under sustained abuse. Ergonomic grips help relieve repetitive stress. Parkerizing improves the resistance to the ravages of rust. When you're building a tool on which the lives of your best and bravest will depend, the very last thing you want to worry about is "how pretty is it" and any perceived social acceptance.

It's not art, it's engineering.

It was hard to wake up and realize I've been part of the problem. Quietly, but still part of the problem.

Now, would somebody please help bring down the prices on these well-engineered, ergonomically balanced, durable pieces of defense gear?

I can't afford them with y'all driving up the stinkin' prices.
 
Just picked-up some MossyOak from Cabela's.

Think I'll go pick-up another 870 now.

Sawdust
 
As a hunter, I too take exception to being labeled as not caring. Hunting is just one aspect of my overall gun ownership. All of the hunting sites I visit are also blasting Zumbo. I consider myself both a gunowner and a hunter.

I know how I can appease both the traditionalists and the EBR crowd. The AK-47 I will soon purchase will come with wood furniture. :D
 
ArfinGreebly,

Look into a FAL, sir!


big ole gas piston, super evil black furniture, flash hiders and bayo lugs that make babies cry!

:evil:

And, of course, its chambered in 308....deer round! :)


D
 
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