gyvel
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If I were you, I would hope that there was never a toilet paper shortage...
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If I were you, I would hope that there was never a toilet paper shortage...
You walk up to his gun show table, talking on your cell-phone, and say in a loud voice "Where are you? At his house? Yes. Yes. Yes he's right here. He's got a full table, you've got plenty of time. There is no way he'll be coming home soon. Oops I gotta go."
Onward Allusion
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Maybe.
What I've noticed is that Wally World has some of the lowest prices around for practice ammo. Around here, they're lower than Bass Pro, Gander Mountain, or Dick's. The Walmarts around here have a 5 box limit on all ammo. Earlier in the year, they were always out. Now they actually have the popular calibers (9mm, 38 spl, 40 S&W). I was able to pick up 40's from Federal (brass) for $13/box of 50.
The Walmart "shortage" is more likely a result of low price rather than folks reselling 150% on Gunbroker. Although some folks will always hoard and/or gouge, however, the shortage isn't nearly as bad as earlier this year.
What I've noticed is that Wally World has some of the lowest prices around for practice ammo. Around here, they're lower than Bass Pro, Gander Mountain, or Dick's. The Walmarts around here have a 5 box limit on all ammo. Earlier in the year, they were always out. Now they actually have the popular calibers (9mm, 38 spl, 40 S&W). I was able to pick up 40's from Federal (brass) for $13/box of 50.
The Walmart "shortage" is more likely a result of low price rather than folks reselling 150% on Gunbroker. Although some folks will always hoard and/or gouge, however, the shortage isn't nearly as bad as earlier this year.
I picked up a box of 9mm at walmart the other day, evidently the clerk had just put it out within the 1/2 hr. We talked a bit and he mentioned a fellow had come by as he was moving it out and bought the only case of .380 he had. No telling if the guy was reselling it or not, but .380 is one of the ones I really don't see a lot of. Back when it was short, I've bought a few boxes only to hear a clerk say "most people would have bought all of that".
I do think it sux though to try and make a few bucks by reselling it. Logic would dictate it would take a tremendous volumne to really see a profit in doing it.
I did find it funny during the "big ammo shortage of 2009" to see tables set up with high priced ammo not selling hardly any; while tables set up with fair priced ammo had a steady stream of customers.
On a side note, I have noticed the prices for WWB at walmart are creeping up, seems like 1 to 2 dollars for 9mm and .45
I do think it sux though to try and make a few bucks by reselling it. Logic would dictate it would take a tremendous volumne to really see a profit in doing it.
I did find it funny during the "big ammo shortage of 2009" to see tables set up with high priced ammo not selling hardly any; while tables set up with fair priced ammo had a steady stream of customers.
On a side note, I have noticed the prices for WWB at walmart are creeping up, seems like 1 to 2 dollars for 9mm and .45
THE DARK KNIGHT
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This is so outside of reality it is sad.
+1 on the toilet paper shortage
GojuBrian
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A couple of gun shops here frequently buy alot of WWB's and resell them for about $10 more per box.
I don't buy from those gunshops anymore.
I don't buy from those gunshops anymore.
earlthegoat2
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I love not having to worry about any of this.
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I have used ammo I purchased at Walmart to trade for ammo that I needed more than what I got at Walmart.
I was completely honest, and traded for WHAT I PAID at walmart, the person trading with me was honest, I believe as well, even though the two boxes of ammo I got from him were about 20 years old.
We were both happy! He had two boxes of ammo he didn't need, and I had some extra that he needed that I didn't really need.
He got 200 rounds from me, I got 100 rounds from him.
Like I say, though, we were both happy and would do it again to help each other. Like we both agreed, we all need to watch out FOR EACH OTHER and help each other as much as we can, and then this whole "ammo shortage" business would not be so hard on everyone.
As it is now, I think a lot of people just think of themselves (what and how much can I buy today)! As for the five-box "limit", that is a joke. I go in, buy five boxes, then I could send my wife in for the same thing, then (if I had a son) send him in as well. In about 15 minutes we would all three be walking out with 15 boxes of ammo between us.
Now, the honest person goes in by himself and can only buy five boxes.
Who gets hurt in the end, the guy breaking the rules (not really "breaking" rules, but you get my point - if he ends up with all 15 boxes, that is essentially BREAKING the five-box per customer walmart rule) -- THE HONEST GUY GETS HURT!
I was completely honest, and traded for WHAT I PAID at walmart, the person trading with me was honest, I believe as well, even though the two boxes of ammo I got from him were about 20 years old.
We were both happy! He had two boxes of ammo he didn't need, and I had some extra that he needed that I didn't really need.
He got 200 rounds from me, I got 100 rounds from him.
Like I say, though, we were both happy and would do it again to help each other. Like we both agreed, we all need to watch out FOR EACH OTHER and help each other as much as we can, and then this whole "ammo shortage" business would not be so hard on everyone.
As it is now, I think a lot of people just think of themselves (what and how much can I buy today)! As for the five-box "limit", that is a joke. I go in, buy five boxes, then I could send my wife in for the same thing, then (if I had a son) send him in as well. In about 15 minutes we would all three be walking out with 15 boxes of ammo between us.
Now, the honest person goes in by himself and can only buy five boxes.
Who gets hurt in the end, the guy breaking the rules (not really "breaking" rules, but you get my point - if he ends up with all 15 boxes, that is essentially BREAKING the five-box per customer walmart rule) -- THE HONEST GUY GETS HURT!
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The beauty of capitalism is that jerk can do that (Wally World limits the amount of Boxes here locally), and you can either buy it or not buy it. You can even protest or boycott him.
I would say more power to him. But even more power to you, the consumer.
I personally would never do it, and would never buy from someone like that. Price is too high.
I made friends with the manager of the gun dept at my local Wally World. He is nice enough to tell me when the shipments arrive, but will not hold ammo for anyone.
I would say more power to him. But even more power to you, the consumer.
I personally would never do it, and would never buy from someone like that. Price is too high.
I made friends with the manager of the gun dept at my local Wally World. He is nice enough to tell me when the shipments arrive, but will not hold ammo for anyone.
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Wow. Another anti-capitalism thread. [Whoops! Merged into the big one. Good idea!] Yawn. Another thread that says, "gee, it's just not fair that the market works all this stuff out." Another thread that says, "people who buy low and sell high are evil -- the more profit they make the more evil they are!"
Another thread that says, the economic model that runs the free world and that made this country great and that offers a chance at economic success to whomever is smart enough or lucky enough to see an opportunity and take advantage of it, IS BAD!
(At least if I'm on the "wrong" end of it. Ask me how I'd feel if I was perceptive enough to have bought a few dozen cases 3 years ago and made 300% profit in the boom...)
You know, I'd wager most people need "affordable" food, clothing, shelter, health care, education, a good job, and any number of other things much more often and much more universally than most will ever "need" ammo. Are you going to rail against the greedy powers that won't hand out those other things? W.T.F. is with this socialist sense of entitlement?
If a person does feel a NEED to keep some defensive ammo on hand, then that NEED simply competes in their higherarchy of NEEDS for a share of that individual's pool of resources (money). If the price is too high, then that need goes unanswered. If the NEED for ammo is strong enough, they'll allocate whatever portion of those resources required to get some for the price at which it is available.
GREED? Depends on which side of the selling table you're standing on! I sense a huge helping of another human trait: jealousy.
"He got HIS, I didn't get MINE, that's not FAIR!" Obama and his entire braying mass of followers -- and predicessors going back to Karl Marx -- must be so proud.
-Sam
Another thread that says, the economic model that runs the free world and that made this country great and that offers a chance at economic success to whomever is smart enough or lucky enough to see an opportunity and take advantage of it, IS BAD!
(At least if I'm on the "wrong" end of it. Ask me how I'd feel if I was perceptive enough to have bought a few dozen cases 3 years ago and made 300% profit in the boom...)
You know, I'd wager most people need "affordable" food, clothing, shelter, health care, education, a good job, and any number of other things much more often and much more universally than most will ever "need" ammo. Are you going to rail against the greedy powers that won't hand out those other things? W.T.F. is with this socialist sense of entitlement?
If a person does feel a NEED to keep some defensive ammo on hand, then that NEED simply competes in their higherarchy of NEEDS for a share of that individual's pool of resources (money). If the price is too high, then that need goes unanswered. If the NEED for ammo is strong enough, they'll allocate whatever portion of those resources required to get some for the price at which it is available.
GREED? Depends on which side of the selling table you're standing on! I sense a huge helping of another human trait: jealousy.
"He got HIS, I didn't get MINE, that's not FAIR!" Obama and his entire braying mass of followers -- and predicessors going back to Karl Marx -- must be so proud.
-Sam
huntsman
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The only thing I hoard more than ammo is TP
HKUSP45C
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THE DARK KNIGHT said:
No, what's sad is your inability to measure sarcasm.
However, the free market works just fine, even with people hoarding and gouging. Stop the whining folks, it'll all work out in the finish.
Vern Humphrey
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Most people who complain about "Capitalism" use the word like a bugaboo -- their definition of "capitalism" is "something bad."
In fact, capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production and distribution, operated for profit, in a competitive environment. Jesus and Joseph were capitalists -- they owned their tools (the means of production) and used them to make their living in competition with other carpenters.
In fact, capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production and distribution, operated for profit, in a competitive environment. Jesus and Joseph were capitalists -- they owned their tools (the means of production) and used them to make their living in competition with other carpenters.
Acera
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Before this gets any more off topic, please check out this video startinh@ 19:15 so that you can fully understand what capitalism really is. Some of you (^^^^^) I don't think understand it.
If you have the time, check out the rest of it, the lesson will do us all good.
http://www.vimeo.com/5522949
If you have the time, check out the rest of it, the lesson will do us all good.
http://www.vimeo.com/5522949
Vern Humphrey
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I'm on dial-up. Give us a synopsis.
Steve Marshall
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What I especially dislike is hearing about people that have 2 cell phones, I-POD, Internet,
3 cars in the driveway, 52" flat screen plasma LCD television with a 36" in the bedroom who go out to dinner 4 times a week etc.etc. and then have the gall to complain about the cost associated with ammunition. I was caught once during the primer shortage in the 90's and that was only because I was using a lot. I was a small time commercial reloader who'd wait until I was down to my last 10,000 SR primers to re-order. I make it a habit to buy when prices are right. Even though I'm currently unemployed, I still visit my favorite gun shop at least once a week. Just as an example of what one can get at the bargain table $51 total two days ago)
124 .308 AP bullets
50 6MM Sierra 100 grain soft points
74 6MM Horn. 100 grain soft points
110 various once fired .243 brass
20 Remington 7x57 brass
113 mixed .257 Roberts brass
40 7 Rem. Magnum brass
109 mixed .308 brass
36 22 Hornet brass
30 44 Special brass
325 LR primers
1 Reloading manual I didn't already have
1 RCBS shellholder rack
4 RCbS rifle plastic boxes
1 MTM pistol plastic box
About 80% of the brass was once fired.
Here's some of the things I didn't buy:
10 pristine reloading manuals @$5 ea.
100 110SP carbine bullets for $10
At least 30 boxes of .22 LR typically $1 a box
9MM brass for 2 cents apiece
45 Auto brass for 5 cents ea.
.223 brass at 2 cents ea.
.380 brass for 3 cents ea.
38 Spl. brass at 3 cents ea.
Lil' Dandy pistol powder measure @$15
Lyman scale @$30
I remember when an SKS was too expensive to shoot in the 80's. I also remember trying to scrounge surplus 30-06 as commercial ammunition was going for $5 a box. This was in the 60's. Even when I couldn't secure any surplus, I still managed to shoot a couple of boxes a week. I was making maybe $2 an hour. Funny thing is that ammunition still costs a couple of hours pay now as then. And yet you can still buy quality surplus even now for about 30 cents each through the CMP. I wonder how much of this is p'ing and moaning with never a real thought to actually shoot. If someone wants to charge you $50 a box for .380 either buy it or don't. THAT is the essence of capitalism. In it's simplest form it IS the law of supply and demand. I don't ever recall someone complaining about $69 a thousand 7.62x39 delivered. Or WWB in 9MM selling for $12 a box of 100. Or bulk pack of .22 LR selling for $8.97. Once the panic buying stops, once the hoarders can't afford to buy more, once the new firearm owners are happy, then prices will adjust. If you don't like the prices now, reload or take up something else.
3 cars in the driveway, 52" flat screen plasma LCD television with a 36" in the bedroom who go out to dinner 4 times a week etc.etc. and then have the gall to complain about the cost associated with ammunition. I was caught once during the primer shortage in the 90's and that was only because I was using a lot. I was a small time commercial reloader who'd wait until I was down to my last 10,000 SR primers to re-order. I make it a habit to buy when prices are right. Even though I'm currently unemployed, I still visit my favorite gun shop at least once a week. Just as an example of what one can get at the bargain table
$51 total two days ago)124 .308 AP bullets
50 6MM Sierra 100 grain soft points
74 6MM Horn. 100 grain soft points
110 various once fired .243 brass
20 Remington 7x57 brass
113 mixed .257 Roberts brass
40 7 Rem. Magnum brass
109 mixed .308 brass
36 22 Hornet brass
30 44 Special brass
325 LR primers
1 Reloading manual I didn't already have
1 RCBS shellholder rack
4 RCbS rifle plastic boxes
1 MTM pistol plastic box
About 80% of the brass was once fired.
Here's some of the things I didn't buy:
10 pristine reloading manuals @$5 ea.
100 110SP carbine bullets for $10
At least 30 boxes of .22 LR typically $1 a box
9MM brass for 2 cents apiece
45 Auto brass for 5 cents ea.
.223 brass at 2 cents ea.
.380 brass for 3 cents ea.
38 Spl. brass at 3 cents ea.
Lil' Dandy pistol powder measure @$15
Lyman scale @$30
I remember when an SKS was too expensive to shoot in the 80's. I also remember trying to scrounge surplus 30-06 as commercial ammunition was going for $5 a box. This was in the 60's. Even when I couldn't secure any surplus, I still managed to shoot a couple of boxes a week. I was making maybe $2 an hour. Funny thing is that ammunition still costs a couple of hours pay now as then. And yet you can still buy quality surplus even now for about 30 cents each through the CMP. I wonder how much of this is p'ing and moaning with never a real thought to actually shoot. If someone wants to charge you $50 a box for .380 either buy it or don't. THAT is the essence of capitalism. In it's simplest form it IS the law of supply and demand. I don't ever recall someone complaining about $69 a thousand 7.62x39 delivered. Or WWB in 9MM selling for $12 a box of 100. Or bulk pack of .22 LR selling for $8.97. Once the panic buying stops, once the hoarders can't afford to buy more, once the new firearm owners are happy, then prices will adjust. If you don't like the prices now, reload or take up something else.
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243winxb
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Seems the Immigration,Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Dept. of Homeland Security needs a whole lot of ammo. https://www.fbo.gov/?subtab=searchresults&s=agency&mode=form&id=c93941fd4710c75409af4f6b7814e998&tab=notices&tabmode=list& 200 million 40 S&W 135gr costs .38 ea. over $76 million . Rem 308 168 gr. match is $.66 ea. The 308 150FMG is a best buy @ $.47 ea. I didnt price the 50 BMG Add the war, we are lucky to have anything to shoot.
Seems the Immigration,Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Dept. of Homeland Security needs a whole lot of ammo. https://www.fbo.gov/?subtab=searchresults&s=agency&mode=form&id=c93941fd4710c75409af4f6b7814e998&tab=notices&tabmode=list& 200 million 40 S&W 135gr costs .38 ea. over $76 million . Rem 308 168 gr. match is $.66 ea. The 308 150FMG is a best buy @ $.47 ea. I didnt price the 50 BMG Add the war, we are lucky to have anything to shoot.
huntsman
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Sorry I don't believe it.
I assume you are basing your statement on past events, but there are things happening now that have never happened before (both in this country and globally) that will affect ammo cost and availability from here on out.
you can wait and see (I'm not) but don't count on things going back to what they were say 5 years ago.
I need a new hobby!
Either I need a new hobby or I better learn to begin making more of my own components now!
I just returned from my local gun shop - they want $55 per thousand primers (CCI 450), plus they'll only sell 300 at a time!
I already cast my own bullets, guess I'll need to start shooting flint locks soon, once I figure out the perfect proportions for black powder.
When I was a kid, I used to be able to purchase tins of saltpeter (potassium nitrate) for about a quarter. Well, they stopped that too. I'll need another source for saltpeter. Sulfer? Can I buy that anywhere? I can make my own charcoal so I'm 1/3 of the way there!
The way component prices are going I'm selling my stocks, gold, everything I own and investing in lead, copper, primers, brass.....
Either I need a new hobby or I better learn to begin making more of my own components now!
I just returned from my local gun shop - they want $55 per thousand primers (CCI 450), plus they'll only sell 300 at a time!
I already cast my own bullets, guess I'll need to start shooting flint locks soon, once I figure out the perfect proportions for black powder.When I was a kid, I used to be able to purchase tins of saltpeter (potassium nitrate) for about a quarter. Well, they stopped that too. I'll need another source for saltpeter. Sulfer? Can I buy that anywhere? I can make my own charcoal so I'm 1/3 of the way there!
The way component prices are going I'm selling my stocks, gold, everything I own and investing in lead, copper, primers, brass.....
Arkansas Paul
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Sounds like they're still trying to get the best of you wherever you're at. You can still get them here for about $35-$39 per thousand. We're lucky. My father retired from Remington Arms and he still gets the discount. The last 1,000 primers we bought was about a month ago. We gave $22 for them.
KJS
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Someone above mentioned Walmart's rule limiting the amount of ammo you can buy. It's something of a joke to have a sign that says limit of 6 boxes when the fact that there are zero boxes on the shelf does an even more effective job of limiting purchase size to nothing.
Acera
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mugsie, you are in luck.
They still sell saltpeter. The best source is a lawn and garden store. Two major brands use it as the only ingredient in their chemical stump removal products. KNO3 is not as easy to find as it once was, but still pretty easy. Make sure that you read the ingredients first, there are a couple brands that use another compound.
Second, sulfur can be purchased from your pharmacy in it's pure finely ground power form as a skin care product. Just ask the pharmacist for it, it's usually behind the counter, but no prescription is needed.
The best resource I have found for this are the stickies in the black powder forum right here on THR.
They still sell saltpeter. The best source is a lawn and garden store. Two major brands use it as the only ingredient in their chemical stump removal products. KNO3 is not as easy to find as it once was, but still pretty easy. Make sure that you read the ingredients first, there are a couple brands that use another compound.
Second, sulfur can be purchased from your pharmacy in it's pure finely ground power form as a skin care product. Just ask the pharmacist for it, it's usually behind the counter, but no prescription is needed.
The best resource I have found for this are the stickies in the black powder forum right here on THR.
That's because in real dollars (inflation adjusted) ammo prices were never as cheap as they were 5-7 years ago. Prices on ammo crashed. Ammo prices, adjusted for inflation, are still on the cheap side compared to pre-86 prices.
PS. Prices on 7.62x39 have already fallen by 30% from the peak. They will break the $200 a case point pretty soon, too. We'll see what happens with other rounds. Wal-Mart has been holding the line on handgun ammo prices. Still can pick up 9mm for 9$/50 and .40 for $13/50. BTW that's the same price 9mm FMJ was back in 85.
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TexasRedneck
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I dunno - my last load of primers were $22/k. True, I buy 15-20k at a time, but it beats hell outta what the local shops might be trying to get. I can't blame 'em - it's hard for them to get 'em as well, and they're often paying premiums just so they can have SOME on the shelves - but I try to keep ample stock on hand, and reorder when I drop to 5k on hand.
huntsman
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Ok I bought a box of Winchester 41mag in 1982 for $15.00, when I run $15.00 into here http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl I get $33.57 dollars.
When I go here http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/65417 I see that IF I could get them the same amount of .41mag ammo that I bought in 1982 for $15.00 now costs $52.50
Not the $33.57 that adjusted for inflation should cost if prices were remaining constant, unless there’s something wrong with my reasoning it looks like ammo has continued to go up in price above and beyond inflation.
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