Capacity of CCW Handgun

[jar]

Yes, and should any ot us ever have ti fire a gun in self defense, that statement would be entirely meaningless.

Now that is simply a truly stupid thing to say.

If I have to fire a gun in self defense it would not make what I said meaningless unless i was also serving a warrant, making an arrest, responding to a domestic disturbance call, making a traffic stop, attempting to stop an active shooter incident oro take down someone wearing body armor or got out of a car to face some knife welding attacker.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Your avatar only needed one bullet...

And he was such a badass he didn't even need to carry it in the gun

 

[Kleanbore]

If I have to fire a gun in self defense it would not make what I said meaningless unless i was also serving a warrant, making an arrest, responding to a domestic disturbance call, making a traffic stop, attempting to stop an active shooter incident oro take down someone wearing body armor or got out of a car to face some knife welding attacker.

If you have to fire a un, what you may have been doing and what magazine capacity you choose will not be related.

Got it?

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Now that is simply a truly stupid thing to say.

If I have to fire a gun in self defense it would not make what I said meaningless unless i was also serving a warrant, making an arrest, responding to a domestic disturbance call, making a traffic stop, attempting to stop an active shooter incident oro take down someone wearing body armor or got out of a car to face some knife welding attacker.

True story bro.

I was at work one day, walking my rounds and I ran into a young black guy walking his bike along the fence. When we met up I waved and said "How's it going?" or some such random greeting.

He went absolutely ballistic. "What do you want? Why are you talking to me?" I looked at him and said "I was just being polite Mister. I didn't mean any offense. I apologize." and I walked away.

When I got back around to the front gate my supervisor was closing it and informed me that Security Control had placed our site on lock down because the bank next to our property had been robbed. She went on to describe the robber. It was the guy I had run into walking my rounds.

You never know who you're going to run into or when or where.

 

[Stophel]

So, it is decided. Everyone who carries a gun with less than X number of rounds might as well put that gun to their head and pull the trigger right now, since they're obviously gonna die anyway in a gunfight.

 

[Kleanbore]

So, it is decided. Everyone who carries a gun with less than X number of rounds might as well put that gun to their head and pull the trigger right now, since they're obviously gonna die anyway in a gunfight.

No.

"Gonna" implies certainty.

 

[AK103K]

So, it is decided. Everyone who carries a gun with less than X number of rounds might as well put that gun to their head and pull the trigger right now, since they're obviously gonna die anyway in a gunfight.

No one said that.

It just sounds like, if things go south, some of us would prefer to have 16 rounds left out of 17, instead of needing 6, and only having 5.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

It gets pretty old.

What gets old?

Having a run in with more than one crackhead is a real possibility and the odds of stopping two guys with a J Frame are not in your favor.

 

[Ernie Bass]

Ya just have to laugh at this internet shoot out stuff. My God, this same merry go round and round with the same exact players does get so old. Carry what the hell you want and move on. The scenario's just keep moving up the ladder til whatever. Why just two crack heads, how about a half a dozen? Do I hear 7? 8 to the man with 18 mags strapped around his waist, do I hear 9?
Some of these posters must hang out with a lot of crack heads. Personally I have never been in a gunfight, nor ever met anyone that has. I guess I just do not get out much.

 

[Kleanbore]

Ya just have to laugh at this internet shoot out stuff. My God, this same merry go round and round with the same exact players does get so old. Carry what the hell you want and move on. The scenario's just keep moving up the ladder til whatever. Why just two crack heads, how about a half a dozen? Do I hear 7? 8 to the man with 18 mags strapped around his waist, do I hear 9?
Some of these posters must hang out with a lot of crack heads. Personally I have never been in a gunfight, nor ever met anyone that has. I guess I just do not get out much.

What are you trying to say?

This is a poll.

 

[Stophel]

I'll just take the high road.

 

[Ernie Bass]

What are you trying to say?

This is a poll.

Lol, I am saying the results of the poll speaks for itself.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Why just two crack heads, how about a half a dozen?

Because two crackheads was what I actually ran into more than once.

Go back and read through the discussion no one who has actually had a run in is advocating <10 rounds

 

[bannockburn]

I went with "Sometime' as in sometime in the warmer weather months I tend to carry handguns with less than 10 rounds while in the colder weather months I sometime go with handguns that have 10 rounds or more with their magazine capacity.

 

[AK103K]

Lol, I am saying the results of the poll speaks for itself.

All it says is, what it says. It doesn't say who is right or wrong in their choices. Simply they chose what they chose.

For where the discussion has gone, maybe a better poll would be, "How many chose a gun and ran out of ammo in a gun fight?". Problem there is, that poll would likely be very skewed.

You're right too, same merry go round, same people. Nice to see you.

I do get the feeling in these threads though, that those who do choose to carry the low cap guns, pocket guns, etc, tend to get a bit defensive when questioned about their choices. Other than "having a gun", the negatives pretty much always outweigh the positives, especially when you get into their actual use, and even more so, when the question of training with them comes up.

I think when people avoid getting into the last part there, things become a bit clearer.

Having a gun is good though.

 

[tubeshooter]

You can always just do the Haywood and carry 2 small wheelguns...


... and even that wouldn't suffice for some.

 

[Ernie Bass]

All it says is, what it says. It doesn't say who is right or wrong in their choices. Simply they chose what they chose.

For where the discussion has gone, maybe a better poll would be, "How many chose a gun and ran out of ammo in a gun fight?". Problem there is, that poll would likely be very skewed.

You're right too, same merry go round, same people. Nice to see you.

I do get the feeling in these threads though, that those who do choose to carry the low cap guns, pocket guns, etc, tend to get a bit defensive when questioned about their choices. Other than "having a gun", the negatives pretty much always outweigh the positives, especially when you get into their actual use, and even more so, when the question of training with them comes up.

I think when people avoid getting into the last part there, things become a bit clearer.

Having a gun is good though.

I see both sides becoming defensive, actually did a search and there was a poll done on this forum and another forum on how many members have used a gun in self defense and how many rounds fired. You can do your own search, but the results seem about the same no matter where you look. Only a very small percentage have even had to use a firearm and even that percentage is three or less rounds fired.

And I have always advocated to carry what you want, but train often with the gun you do carry. Training is training no matter now many rounds you carry. I doubt anyone would think the polls are skewed unless the results are not the way you voted.

Perhaps you can do you own poll on how many times have you had to use your firearm and how many rounds fired and word it the way you prefer.

 

[AK103K]

You can always just do the Haywood and carry 2 small wheelguns...


... and even that wouldn't suffice for some.

To what advantage?

 

[tubeshooter]

To what advantage?

Oh, sorry - I thought this was a capacity thread.
Carrying 2 doesn't address the exact issue per se, but is a bit of a workaround.

 

[CDW4ME]

See, this makes me think capacity isn't so much the issue as caliber.

9mm Glock 19 is a good minimum, just not for me.
Glock 23/32 offer 13 + 1 capacity in a size that is easily concealed in summer attire.
If 9mm is good, these are better; 357 Sig is the same diameter as 9mm but 357 Sig has more ASAP potential.

 

[AK103K]

I see both sides becoming defensive, actually did a search and there was a poll done on this forum and another forum on how many members have used a gun in self defense and how many rounds fired. You can do your own search, but the results seem about the same no matter where you look. Only a very small percentage have even had to use a firearm and even that percentage is three or less rounds fired.

And I have always advocated to carry what you want, but train often with the gun you do carry. Training is training no matter now many rounds you carry. I doubt anyone would think the polls are skewed unless it does not fit there opinion.

Perhaps you can do you own poll on how many times have you had to use your firearm and how many rounds fired and word it the way you prefer.

My point has always been, you have no idea as to what you might get, and you have to deal with whatever it is, with whatever youve got.

Anecdotal stories and evidence simply show what happened to one person in the moment. Sure, you can lump them together and call it a statistic, but you could be the very next one up, and have a totally different experience, and need well beyond the "norm".

I agree, carry what you want, and along with that, be as well versed as possible with it, and practice regularly and realistically. After all, we all get to live or die by our choices, should we be unlucky enough to need them.

Hopefully, youre being truthful with yourself in your choices and what your skills are with them, but, that is up to each of us.

From what Ive seen, many, if not most Ive seen shooting at various ranges, and people I talk to in general, are not even close to being prepared, beyond having some sort of gun.

They "think" they are, but when you push them to do something beyond standing at a bench and shooting target style, its usually pretty obvious, some of us have very different definitions of what prepared is.

 

[CDW4ME]

I counted 7 shots, and one stoppage. With 9, I'd still be in the game.

I've carried 1911's quite a bit in the past and would again if ever under a 10 round limit.
Ed Brown Special Forces 45 acp or Colt Delta Elite 10mm either with 2 spare mags on opposite side of belt.

 

[AK103K]

Oh, sorry - I thought this was a capacity thread.
Carrying 2 doesn't address the exact issue per se, but is a bit of a workaround.

Work around I guess, but I can carry one gun with more ammo than two.

I didnt see the advantage to the two, especially if you have to stop halfway through, and change up. .

 

[CDW4ME]

How many times did the cop actually score a hit?

Good point , not this incident specifically.
I think police hit average is about 50% and that is with something bigger than a pocket gun.
It is reasonable to assume that a civilian under duress might shoot about as well as the average cop with a hit rate of 50%
Me posting this link is not indicative that I'm in agreement with all the data, like the performance of 32 acp, that said.
This data is useful because it shows that on average it takes 2 - 3 hits to incapacitate an attacker, and 2.4 = 3 cause no partial bullets.
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
Averages and statistics are usually used to justify minimum carry, lets see how that works.
5 shot snub against 1 attacker with a 50% hit ratio and optimistic 2-3 rounds to incapacitate attacker, it might be sufficient.
What if there are 2 attackers? Oh No, what am I thinking, two attackers in a "good" area, aint gonna happen (sarcasm).
Course if its such a "good" area why is there an attacker at all?

 

[jar]

If you have to fire a un, what you may have been doing and what magazine capacity you choose will not be related.

Got it?

Now that is simply another truly stupid thing to say.

If I have to fire a gun in self defense it would not make what I said meaningless unless i was also serving a warrant, making an arrest, responding to a domestic disturbance call, making a traffic stop, attempting to stop an active shooter incident or take down someone wearing body armor or got out of a car to face some knife welding attacker.