WA State Alien Firearms Licenses Part II

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Maybe, maybe not, I do know that the FBI refused to issue background checks for AFL's previously because of an error that occurred with WSP releasing FBI background check information, apparently at the behest of the DOL.

Now they have effectively been given a "SHALL ISSUE" injunction, a little like a CPL, unless there is evidence that you can't have an AFL they must issue it.
 
Well, I just called the DOL firearm number and spoke to a very nice lady who is going to send me a couple new applications. I asked her if I would be wasting my time and money sending them in because as I understood it, that the FBI still needed to do a background check and wouldn't issue it to them because of them being non law enforcement agency. (the reason they stopped issuing and even sending out applications)
She informed me that all I would need is local law enforcement do a background check and fingerprints and pay my money and that is now good enough for them. She said the FBI is out of the equation now as far as they are concerned. :)

Now, I just need to re-apply to the Canadian consulate for another background "refusal" letter, because mine is almost a year old now and I believe it needs to have been issued within the last 6 months.
Hopefully, by the time I get that back, the law will have been changed and I will no longer need it. Until then, I will apply for it.
 
How's this for cool..

I too just got off the phone with DOL...

According to the woman I spoke with, my license is .... drum roll please...



:what: !! WOO HOO !! - The FIRST NEW License issued in 3 years - !! WOO HOO !! :what:



It is being printed right now and will be in the mail tomorrow !!


:D !! WOO HOO !! :D



zaharia


I did not need to send in my refusal letter, I sent the following:

Photocopy of Drivers License (Issued 2006)
Photocopy of Expired AFL (2002-2007)
Photocopy of Green Card (Issued 2005)
Photocopy of CPL (Issued 2006)

And that is all they needed, caveat - I've lived here for almost 9 years now..!
 
she didn't happen to mention if there were others going out with yours did she?
I applied on the first day it was available.
Hopefully mine is on the way as well.
 
OK I caved , I just Emailed DOL asking them to send me an AFL application packet , I also asked if there would be a refund if HB 1052 or the NRA lawsuit went through .
I'll keep you posted if they reply .
 
MD
I have never had a AFL before, so I don't have an expired one to send in.
I do have a green card, Washington Drivers license and have been here for just over 3 years. I still think I need to send in a request for a criminal background check refusal letter from the consulate dated within the last 6 months?

Congrats on yours!
 
I dont have an expired AFL either I'm gonna just send in the application with whatever fingerpint stuff from the sheriff that I need and see what happens .
MD could you maybe post a definative list of required actions and documents ? for those of us that are still unsure where to go and what to get .
 
If it is your first application for an AFL then you just need to follow what the application says to send in. That's what I was told by the DOL today. Same deal as before they stopped sending them out.
 
I agree if it is your first time you probably should stick with what is on the list,

but before you do that, the DOL is being very forthcoming

I would go ahead and call the DOL, they seem to really want to help now.

That is the best source of information at this time.


PS

My consulate was very quick to send me a refusal letter, if you are a Canadian, you will probably get a letter from Consulate officer Ruth Gunn <-- cool name eh!
 
for the record, according to the lady that processes these at the DOL, if you have been a WA resident for more than 2 years and can prove it with a WA State DL, then you don't even need to get the refusal letter from the Canadian consulate. Just send them a coy of your DL that was issued more than 2 years ago and you're good. There are other possible options to prove 2 year residence; best to call them on this.
 
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well I got an email reply from the DOL this morning here is the email in its entirety

Good morning~



An application packet will be mailed to you this morning. Please let me know if you have any questions or if I can be of any other assistance.



Have a nice day!



Zandra Stephens
Customer Service
Firearms Unit
(360) 664-6616

"The greatest glory in living lies not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall. "

— Nelson Mandela



Doesnt answer my question about the refunds but sounds friendly .
 
If this info helps anyone. I have been in Washington for just over 3 years, but have only had my Wash. DL for one year and also an out of date refusal letter from the consulate. (needs to be within 6 months) So, I emailed and asked if there is any other proof I can provide to show that I was living here for more than two years. Here is the reply. I should add that they are answering emails very quickly now. :)
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If you have a bill or some other document with your name and the date on it that would work.

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Have a nice day!

Zandra Stephens

cdninusa:
I inquired about this and you STILL DO need the refusal letter. See their answer below that I just received this morning.
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If you read the instructions that were provided in the application packet you will see under the heading ‘MORE THAN TWO YEARS AS WASHINGTON RESIDENT’, section A states that if your consulate cannot fulfill your request in a 90 day time frame then you may use the refusal letter in place of the certified copy of the criminal history background check. With that we also need proof that you have been a resident for two years or more.

Sorry for causing confusion. Please let me know if I can be of any other assistance

Zandra Stephens
 
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I dont think we have a UK consulate in Washington. I talked to DOL and the lady said I would be ok without a copy of criminal history. This will save some time.

WTG MD you deserve getting the first license, you have been very helpful to all in getting to where we are. Thank you.

Tim
 
I just drove 15 miles to our local Police dept, only to be told they dont do the fingerprinting there, I have to go to Lacey (another 15 miles). So I get there and they confere between each other, and say I have to go to Olympia (another 10 miles). I get there and the guy says they do not issue them anymore, I told him they had been reinstated , he got on his phone and then told me,yes we do now issue them, BUT he cannot do it today because he has a doctors appointment to go to!!!!!!!!! Come back tomorrow. I am fuming at the moment.
Tim
 
Hey Steely no they don't the UK rationalized back to San-Fran in 2005 IIRC. I sent them a copy of my Drivers license that dated to 2005 (still current). Mentioned that there was no consulate, in Seattle you can see her response.

I emailed Zandra today (she kicks ass, we should consider getting a collection together and sending her some flowers or something).

Copy of mail below

Good afternoon Mark~

We have not yet received you application from the KCSO. We do have the documentation that you sent to us, it looks good, thank you. Once we receive your application from the KCSO we will match up your documentation with your application and then electronically submit your license to our printer. Your license will be mailed to you directly from our printer, you should receive it about one week after it’s been submitted by us to the printer.

Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Have a nice afternoon!

Zandra Stephens

Fr**king KCSO:cuss:
 
Hey Steely , I think I am going to have to go to the same sheriffs dept as you can you pm me the address thanks .
 
Thanks guys!

I phoned Adrian, the Adrian listed in the lawsuit, he is still waiting on his AFL...

I guess my Sheriff "Gets R Done" ASAP..! or maybe just the West Side is taking their sweet time.. don't know..


I met esteli the other night in Pullman WA, she's here from Canada too, and she now has the AFL application.
 
well I got my application packet in the post today , for those of us without a consulate in WA state we do NOT need to get a letter of refusal , so I'm gonna get on and fill it out this weekend and go see the sheriff as soon as I can afford the 75 bucks , I guess we might as well git er done.
 
I might just wait a few days, to see what happens on Tuesday. Thanks Gungnir for posting this in the other forum.

Update on HR1052

Feb 17 Scheduled for executive session in the House Committee on General Government Appropriations at 8:00 AM. (Subject to change)
 
Yeah I thought about waiting too, but this is something I've been waiting for since August 2007...

Plus I just received mt tax return, so I' going to go "stimulate" the local economy.

If the Bill passes, that is even better, but for me, right now, getting a new AFL until all this other stuff is figured out is a sound investment.
 
Yeah, Steely be aware, I'm not completely sure whether Tuesday's meeting will lead to it being pushed to the State Senate (and it will need 3 readings there), or need a further reading.

I think that the best we could hope for is that HB1052 might be passed through the legislature by the end of April, as to when it becomes law, it could be up to the end of the current legislative session (Sept IIRC).
 
Funny thing for me anyway on this is that the DOL is still charging the $24 FBI fee, even though they say that the FBI are now out of the picture as far as background checks. :p
 
That is the nature of this beast, they must perform the "sacred rituals", seems almost like the city of ember, "not my job"...

If you read the book of see the movie, you'll know what I mean.

;)
 
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