Heads Up WA State Alien Firearms License Holders

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MD_Willington

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Apparently, effective last year some time, all AFL applications were put on hold or stopped.

"Special alert for alien firearms license applicants --
We are unable to issue alien firearms licenses at this time. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has told law enforcement agencies it is against federal law to use federal databases for background checks if the agencies share the results with a non-criminal justice agency such as the Department of Licensing. This means law enforcement agencies cannot perform the background checks required by state law for issuing an alien firearms license. Without these background checks, we cannot complete the application process or issue alien firearms licenses."


So I guess I make plans for storing elsewhere at the end of the year... I probably will not have possession of my firearms again until I get my citizenship in 2010...


What gets me is I have been background checked on various occasions, and the last check was for my CPL, so now I'm in limbo, I can legally carry a concealed pistol, yet at the end of this year I cannot legally have firearms in my possession until my license is renewed, and there is no ETA as to when I can get a new AFL.


Hey look, gun controls works, they effectively disarmed 5 (Two Canadians and three Americans in my family) law abiding legal resident/citizens by the end of the year...

:fire:
 
There were TWO BILLS

in the 2007 legislative session that would have fixed the problem (it's a technical glitch -- albeit one that puts at least 1,300 resident aliens at felony risk). Neither passed.

A fix is promised for the next (2008) session.

In the meantime, if your AFL is expiring between now and then (maybe affects 2-300 AFL holders), go ahead and complete the package and send it to DOL, certified mail return receipt requested. That return receipt is your proof of attempting to comply with the law, and SHOULD get you a pass as far as prosecution for violation of RCW 9.41.170 is concerned. The operative word being SHOULD.

The two "fixes" were HB 1011 anf SB 5456. HB 1011 never got a hearing (the original draft did NOT fix the problem; the amended draft did). SB 5456 was amended in committee (SSB 5456) to fix the problem, but never got a full Senate floor vote.
 
I plan to keep my firearms, ammunition and paraphernalia at a trusted friends house...

Guys I'm buying some OC spray and a nice Louisville Slugger in the meantime...
 
I would move except my employer is the one who sponsored me to come to the USA and also worked their back ends off to get me my resident immigrant status.

I'm going to check with the immigration lawyer today to see if there is a way to fast track my naturalization process, probably none, but it's worth a try (wishfull thinking on my part).
 
You might also contact Senator Bob Morton's office. He was sponsor of this House Bill. That office should also be able to tell you who lobbied this issue. With that information you ought to be able to find out if anyone is following up on a fix and when action may be taken. Since this is a State matter with Federal implications, an email, letter or phone call to the Governor's office or your local House Representative might also get some action.

I know a few Canadian Americans that may be in the same boat with you down the road. This needs to be fixed.

-Steve
 
Well I email Senator Morton and my local Senator... I'll have to see what happens.

You see, yesterday I called the DOL and got the bad news.

Previously on two occasions I contacted the DOL and they told me absolutely nothing in regard to them not having the ability to issue a new license. Actually the last one previous to the other day, the lady at the DOL said it was a good idea to get the renewal done early. ???

I'm making no assumptions on that one, but it seems like they don't have a real grasp on the situation.
 
Several points:

It wasn't a House Bill, Morton's was SENATE Bill 5456. Bob Morton is a Senator representing the 7th Legislative District.

Read the bill report to see who supported it (there was NO opposition). The Senate Bill Report is available at http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5456&year=2007
Scroll down the page to "Substitute Senate Bill Report" on the right.

MD, you can get expedited citizenship by joining the Army.

Gunsmith, at this time Reno (NV) has no reciprocity, and they also impose a training requirement to exercise a constitutional right. Washington has no training requirement (i.e. poll test).


Jack, we're already working it for next year.
 
So section 1-3 covers who's allowed, what it will cost and what the sheriff is supposed to do right?

Section 4 is for people competing in sporting or hunting events?

????

Personally I don't see why this isn't a permit issued by the county Sheriff in the first place since it is the Sheriff that issues CPL's... seems @ss-backwards to me...

Quite frustrating too...
 
A bit of good news to go with the bad.

Senator Morton emailed me back.

Dear MD:

My suggestion is that you contact the sheriff's office in the county in which you reside, as the responsibility for these licenses now lies with the counties, not the Department of Licensing.

Cordially yours,

BOB MORTON
State Senator

And I just got off the phone with my Sheriff's office, the office staff told me to come on in, bring all the documents that are requested in the application and the money for the fees and they should be able to complete the checks to get me another AFL.

Hopes this goes well !
 
I don't know what he's talking about. As far as I know, this bill did not pass.

There's been discussion about someone suing the state for violating the Privileges and immunity's clause of the US constitution. MD, You'd probably be a really good candidate for a good lawsuit that can strike it down.
 
At this time I cannot afford a lawsuit.

Amendment XIV, Section 1, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, known as the Privileges or Immunities Clause.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States

..but so far I am only a legal resident alien, resident of WA State for 7 years, 5 as a non-immigrant (not my choice), and 2 as an immigrant (Green card for ~ 2 years, 2 years this coming June) though my children are citizens, they are and will be born in the USA.
 
Hey Willington
Please let us know how it went at the Sherriff's office

I am in the same boat

BTW did you know that they stopped issuing those licenses
May or June 2006, but just now there is a note saying they can't issue them :confused:
 
No one told me anything, in fact I contacted the DOL twice previously, once last year and they said absolutely nothing about the FBI telling them to stop.

Kind of misleading isn't it.
 
Mike Stollenwerk posted this in a group that I run:

Oregon Issues:

The idea would be to file a lawsuit making a facial challenge to the Oregon
statute (which bans the granting of gun carry licenses to residents of most
states, but not contiguous states) as violative of the federal constitution's
privileges and immunities clause because the statute denies you the privilege
to carry in Oregon soley based upon your state of residency.

As a general matter, such discrimination is unconstitutional. Supreme Court
of New Hampshire v. Piper, 470 U.S. 274, 274 (1985) (New Hampshire’s ban on
nonresident admission to state bar “violates the Privileges and Immunities
Clause of Art. IV, § 2”). See also Lee v. Minner, 458 F.3d 194 (3d. Cir.
2006) (affirming trial court's holding that “'citizens only' provision of
Delaware's FOIA is unconstitutional under the Privileges and Immunities Clause of
Article IV, Section 2 of the United States Constitution”).


One such P & I challenge failed against New York, but see Bach v. Pataki,
408 F.3d 75 (2d Cir. 2005). In Bach, the 2d Circuit quashed a Virginia
resident's challenge to New York's handgun licensing scheme under theory that
scheme's discrimination against nonresidents violated the Second Amendment and the
Privileges and Immunities Clause by holding that: 1. The Second Amendment's
right to keep and bear arms imposed a limitation on only federal, not state,
legislative efforts; and, 2. New York's prohibition on allowing
nonresidents to obtain a firearms license did not violate the Privileges and Immunities
Clause because New York's interest in monitoring gun licensees was
substantial and New York's restriction of licenses to residents and persons working
primarily within the State was sufficiently related to that interest).

The facts in Bach are distinguishable from Oregon in that New York is a "may
issue" state which completely refuses to accept any non-resident's
application under a need to monitor permit holder conduct theory. Though I think
Bach was wrongly decided, in my opinion, Bach's legal reasoning would support
your action against Oregon,

I don't know about Oregon law, but if you prevail in an action citing 42 USC
1983 as a cause of action, you would normally be entitle to recover of legal
fees and costs as a matter of federal law at 42 USC 1988. You can file 1983
actions in either state or federal court; however, if you are going to .
You should interview attorneys licensed to practice in both state and federal
courts in Oregon to discuss tactics.

Funding ought to be able to be found given the novelty and high payoff -
especially if you are a great plaintiff - a person so upstanding that the press
and Oregon officials will not be able to disparage you in any way. You can
work deals with attorneys on finding too - like charging you a public interest
rate, but charging Oregon full rate if you prevail. My 1983 action against
PA over illegal SSN demands, Stollenwerk v. Miller, was done that way - as we
prevailed, we received over $48,000 back; but my costs were less, and the
NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund, GOA's fund, and 2 state groups helped me along
the way.

A victory over this type of discrimination would substantially improve
reciprocity across the US as states would be forced to allow any state resident to
apply for permits; the holding would support striking down permit acceptance
discrimination against residents based upon their state of residence being
different that their state of permit issuance; and finally, would encourage
states to just become shall accept states.

Somebody really needs to do this action to advance carry rights across the
US. I would expect that if you are a great looking (in a publicity and legal
sense) plaintiff, and you have a good attorney, you will be able to get
funding from various civil rights groups focused on guns to help you pay.

Washington AFL issues:
Most everything I said re: Oregon for P &I action could be applied to
Washington state's statutory discrimination against resident aliens re: gun
possession/carry, but the attack would be based upon a violation of federal equal
protection rights under the Fourteenth Amendment.

I think I provided some authorities before on this - state classifications
based upon alienage, as applied to resident aliens, are presumptively
unconstitutional.

In my opinion, this case would be nearly iron clad - and I bet some
immigrant or ACLU type groups might even want to help fund the action.
 
I believe there was a similar lawsuit and a win in California (green-card holders having to get separate licenses)
Last time I spoke with DOL (2 weeks ago) they said - they have been following the bills and since they failed they will try to find alternate ways to try issue the licenses
(otherwise we’ll have to wait at least 1 more year)
 
An alternate would be for them to get the go ahead from my sheriff or have my sheriff as the issuer of the license, as my sheriff issued my CPL... I really don't get why the DOL does this since the local DOL has no clue at all what an AFL is in the first place... frustrating.
 
Wow green card holders have to rights!!!!

BTW Check this out. I am speachless :cuss: :what:
State v. Hernandez-Mercado, 879 P.2d 283 (Wash. 1994)

Defendant was convicted of being a non-citizen in possession of a firearm. The court rejected defendant’s claim that the statute prohibiting non-citizens from possessing a firearm was unconstitutional, holding that non-citizens have no Second Amendment rights and states can regulate firearms under their police powers.

(I think that they will process the paperwork but they won't send it to DOL, so the DOL won't issue a license.)
 
The State claims that RCW 9.41.170
is necessary to promote a compelling interest in public safety. RCW 9.41 is devoted entirely to firearms
regulation. The State's argument is weak, but so is Petitioner Hernandez-Mercado's argument on equal
protection of the laws.


This is what happens when you hire a bad lawyer.
 
If it in the interest of public safety, then I wonder why the sheriff would issue me a CPL in 3 working days... now if I was a big threat to public safety, I doubt he would issue me one, also I work for as GSA company.. so again, if in fact I was a threat, I think it would be on a much larger scale, nationally, not locally...

I plan on living here in the US for the long run, so it's best not to crap where I want to live, right...
 
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