Zumbo: Gun rag writer trashes "Assault Weapons"

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Tom Gresham understands as much about us and how we feel about the second amendment as Paul Newman does about combat shooting when he plays a gun toting detective or cop in his old movies.
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Whats this "us" stuff? You don't speak for me.


As exciting as it was watching the power of us gunnies on the net mobilize it was also horrific reading the absolute venom and filth.

While I see some reason for hope it is tempered with despair at the mob mentality I saw exhibited. Not so much here on THR, although here also, but around the net.
 
TWB, I can believe that Gresham did not immerse himself in the thousand-faceted conversation, and while knowing this was all TROUBLE for his friend, he probably could not fully appreciate the depth of our rage. He too, is from the 20th century.

I believe when he had a chance to do that, and when he saw that the Brady villains had glommed onto Zumbo's blog-post..... friend or no, he recognized that his friend had fatally Rathered himself.

I feel sorry for Zumbo, but only in the same way I feel sorry for a schizophrenic person who attacks people for no reason, and gets killed for it.

I want the other Fudds out there to get religion real fast, or they can go right ahead and publicly vent their spleens at our collective "cruelty". COME GET SOME!

I think that for years we felt like it was only "sportsmen" and hunters who had the ear of politicians, the NRA, and the firearms industry.
Does anybody feel that way today?

We have been treated like the red headed step-child of the shooting sports, but thanks to the Clinton Ban, (which stimulated EBR purchases) and still advancing concealed carry laws, and our grassroots networking via internet, we are just beginning to flex our power.

We wanted to be loved.

It is better to be FEARED.

--Travis--
 
From Tom Gresham
Now, the real question is whether we can generate that kind of response when we need to defeat a gun ban. Can we melt down mail servers of elected representatives the way gun owners hammered the servers at various companies? I don't know.
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Yes we can. The key is to have an easy link to do it...one link at a time. I'll admit it...I'm tired at the end of the day or just plain lazy...most people are.
Put a sticky on the gun boards with a weekly link and you'll get the desired result. Did I here Guntalk volunteer? :)
 
I seem to recall a "real" list of sponsors on Jim's website. The only thing I can find now is a little blurb in the right corner listing 3 companies...

"Special Thanks to our Show Sponsors.
Swarovski, Gerber Knives, and Stoney Point Products."

Steve
 
GoRon, I used this simile in an e-mail to one of his sponsors: It's like walking in the house and finding your wife of twenty years in bed with your best friend. Even if they are able to convince you that it was just a one-time affair you'll never be able to give either of them the same trust you did.
We all thought Jim Zumbo was one of us. Instead, he's just another gun grabber. Were this a military operation he would be a spy and would hang. We're letting him off with his life but we don't have to listen to or read his lies.
Many conservatives believe our "justice" system has too many loopholes for guilty people to wriggle through. I can't even estimate the number of times I've read posts calling for quick and drastic punishment for certain classes of crime. Jim Zumbo's punishment was quick, drastic and well-deserved. Even his "apology" was an insult to the intelligence of shooters everywhere. I didn't read any messages calling for his life, though they may well have been posted somewhere. I did read a lot of posts calling for his professional head on a platter though and I see no problem with that. If the posts sound a bit strident... well. we're all staring down the barrel of another AWB and we didn't need "one of our own" to turn on us.
 
Gun Grabbers

Lads, remember this: calling these conspirators "gun grabbers" does not offend them.

For them, since they do in fact intend to confiscate ALL our guns, the epithet is actually an honorific.

Reveal them for what they are, that being Rights Grabbers.

They're after your civil rights, and they have to get the guns first.

These aren't a bunch of 'fraidy cats thrashing around frantically trying to eradicate something they fear. They are committed socialists who know that their ultimate plan of societal domination cannot succeed against an armed and angry populace.

They're okay with angry. It's the armed thing they can't deal with.

They must therefore disarm us before proceeding with the grand plan.
 
I just took a peek at Jim Zumbo's web site, and noticed that it has the following show sponsors still listed: "Swarovski, Gerber Knives, and Stoney Point Products."

This is a change from a few days ago (as indicated by Google's cache of his web site) when the sponsors were: "Remington, Swarovski, Gerber Knives, Cabela's, Safari Club International, Stoney Point Products, and Hi Mountain Seasonings."

So four of the seven sponsors must have communicated directly to Zumbo and made it clear that he was to immediately remove their names as sponsors. And he quickly complied, even though the web site otherwise appears rather out of date. I think it indicates that Zumbo is feeling the pressure pretty strongly.

It must really suck to have your whole life come crashing down around you in the span of a few minutes from one ill-considered blog posting. It's a tragic situation which cries out for a bit of sympathy and human understanding ... except that my sympathy immediately evaporates when I recall what he wrote.

Words have meaning and actions have consequences. Jim Zumbo will just have to endure those consequences. His happy existence as a respected, influential hunting guru is over. If he was financially prudent, he'll have saved up enough money for retirement. I doubt that he'll be going off on any hunting trips paid for on someone else's dime.
 
Tom was definitely trying to give Zumbo a chance to redeem himself ... looks like he failed at it completely . Thus Tom's next day reaction .
 
And it seems we have at least one or two posters here who are ready to throw Gresham under the bus too. Not to mention the handful of posters who are perfectly willing to label me an enemy of the Constitution because I don't think Jim Zumbo should be hanged from the nearest tree limb.

Again, I'm not defending Zumbo's opinion -- although I still maintain that a great many folks conveniently ignored a few pronouns and modifiers and went right to the "He's calling us terrorists!!!" extreme -- but am pointing out that the gleeful piling on is unseemly. "Gun nuts on witch hunt!" is undoubtedly the headline at the anti-gun organizations right now.

Tom Gresham is -- or was, anyway -- exactly right when he mentioned the Ruger fracas, among other such instances. Gunnies are far too willing to go on wild-eyed rants at every percieved slight, and it's that sort of reactionary vindictiveness that worries me. It doesn't put us (shooters in general) in an especially good light, and it is often counterproductive: putting S&W out of business because you don't like locks isn't exactly going to spill any latte down at HCI headquarters.

At any rate, Zumbo may well deserve to have his life ruined because he doesn't want hunters associated with terrorists who use AK-47s. It certainly was a very stupid thing for him to written. I just wonder if the violent and total response to him is the way we really ought to be portraying ourselves in public. Just think of the howls of derision among gunnies when liberal Democrats turn on one another for not toeing the party line...
 
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Is it a witch hunt if you're actually finding witches? :evil:

Seriously, we should be cautious against flailing wildly at anything and everything, lest we lose sight of what's really important.

And for a little humor in this ugly mess, I'll share the comment of an arfer:
(paraphrased)

"The one thing I learned, is I really, really don't want my name to ever become a verb."

LOL!
 
Tom Gresham is -- or was, anyway -- exactly right when he mentioned the Ruger fracas, among other such instances.
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Didn't Mike Fifer, Ruger's new CEO, praise Bill Ruger at his eulogy, for his part in the ban? Can a non- military or leo buy a 30 round factory mag from Ruger?
 
Ruger is no friend to the IIA either. For the life of me I can't figure out why:

A. Anyone would buy a mini 14/30, when there are other cheaper guns of equal or better quality, that are more accurate.

B. Anyone who considers themself to be pro IIA would buy a Ruger in the first place.
 
Stoney Point

Re-sent message to the "non-responders." Stoney Point provided this little gem (they need a better PR man; Gerber even bested this!). Reckon I drop the Outdoor Channel, too.

"Stoney Point advertising is with The Outdoor Channel. Any opinions expressed by Mr. Zumbo are those of Mr. Zumbo and do not represent the opinion of Stoney Point.
Stoney Point is a long time supporter of the NRA and supportive of Second Amendment rights.
Stoney Point Management "

But from Mossy Oak, "Mossy Oak strongly advocates the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights, which guarantees us the right to keep and bear arms regardless of type. The Second Amendment is vital to the outdoors lifestyle we all appreciate and enjoy here at Mossy Oak and across the entire outdoor industry.

“It is unfortunate that a long-time hunter and outdoor writer took a personal position that was unsupportive of the Second Amendment which does not differentiate between firearm types.” said Butch English, Executive VP of Sales and Marketing for Mossy Oak. “As a result of comments made by Mr. Jim Zumbo in recent postings on his blog site, Haas Outdoors, Inc. the home of Mossy Oak Brand Camo has ended all sponsorship ties with Mr. Zumbo effective immediately. While we strongly disagree with Mr. Zumbo’s opinion, we respect his constitutional, guaranteed right to speak freely.”

As shooters and hunters, we should all help educate and promote responsible firearm information and safety. It is important for the outdoor industry to focus our attention to educate those opposed to any type of anti-hunting or anti-Second Amendment movement.

-Mossy Oak"

Excellent; I'm a good shot, but lousy seamstress . . . wasn't looking forward to making my own camo. And coincidentally, I just inherited $20.07.
 
The posts from blackhawk and Derby FALs illustrate my point perfectly: if you look hard enough, you will find that EVERYONE is an enemy. From some of the writing here and other places, I imagine some folks have "boycott lists" that bear a strong resemblance to the phone book.

MudPuppy says it perfectly: "Seriously, we should be cautious against flailing wildly at anything and everything, lest we lose sight of what's really important."

The "Zumboing" may or may not have been perfectly appropriate, and my reaction may or may not be out of line. I merely recommend that we tread this sort of territory very, very carefully. The line between vigilance and paranoia is vanishing small, and the world is watching.
 
i'd be hard-pressed to describe what bill ruger did without resorting to profanity. while i appreciate the tone of gresham's article, i couldn't disagree more with his implication that ruger's flack wasn't well-deserved
 
Gentlemen :) ,

I am so new to this forum that I have not yet learned the esoteric art of how you guys pull down quotes from up above.....so I'll just go at it...

I am not mad at Tom Gresham. I think that if he had more time to study the event as it unfolded he would have done his Sunday broadcast differently.

OTOH, I am still mad about Ruger. To this day Ruger refuses to sell me normal capacity mags for my mini-14. 20 round mags marked "LEO only" are available on the net for about $40 each, however, they are sold without permission from Ruger.

I commend Remington for their action about this situation, however, I wish that they did not refuse to market their AR rifle to ordinary law abiding citizens.

This past weekend was a "watershed moment" in the history of gun rights. The world has changed. Lets all try to take stock and move forward in a way that does not alienate anyone who can be won over to our side.

Steve
 
One other shot... The Constitution is, indeed, most emphatically not about hunting. Why, then, is Zumbo's call for the banning of certain firearms IN THE HUNTING FIELD seen as an attack on the Constitution?
 
While I see some reason for hope it is tempered with despair at the mob mentality I saw exhibited. Not so much here on THR, although here also, but around the net.
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I agree about the venom and filth, but given what gun owners have been through in the past 70 years, I can easily understand the animosity behind it.

The antis are perfectly willing to get their laws passed, and if any dare to defy them, have the police kill them, and their's to make their point. At times, I admittedly think the venom and filth we have seen with this flap, to be far more restrained than other actions which would be fully in line as a rational response to what we're facing from the antis.

Keep one thing in mind about antis, they have no problem having what for these purposes could be considered armed thugs enforce their worldview upon each and every one of us. It's hard to reach any other rational conclusion from that stark reality than the most obvious. They hate us enough to have us killed.

To vote is to exercise political power. Political power IS force, and force IS violence.
 
Hi .38 Special :) ,

If he had only stopped there, there would have been some flack, but nothing like what has happened here.

Zumbo called AK and AR rifles "terrorist". As we all know, a gun does not fire itself. A reasonable person would interpret that as meaning the owner of the rifle is acting in a terroristic way when he goes in public with the rifle in hand.

It is hard to "keep and bear arms" when you are not allowed to go on public lands with it.

Blah blah blah :) ,

Steve
 
If he had only stopped there, there would have been some flack, but nothing like what has happened here.
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Agreed. At the very least, Zumbo is guilty of posting some really stupid stuff.

Zumbo called AK and AR rifles "terrorist". As we all know, a gun does not fire itself. A reasonable person would interpret that as meaning the owner of the rifle is acting in a terroristic way when he goes in public with the rifle in hand.
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I disagree, and in point of fact argue that this is the kind of "most negative possible conclusion" interpreting that I'm talking about. I believe a "reasonable" person would have interpreted that blog to mean that Zumbo thinks terrorists prefer "assault rifles", that the use of such "assault rifles" in the field casts hunters in a negative light, and that "assault rifles" should therefore be banned from hunting. The argument that Zumbo thinks AR-15 equipped hunters are acting like terrorists is a huge stretch, IMO.

It is hard to "keep and bear arms" when you are not allowed to go on public lands with it.
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Most of my guns have never been used on public lands -- or, more to the point, while hunting. That does not mean that my rights are being abridged because, again, "the second amendment ain't about duck hunting".
 
Looks like Cabela's has decided...

So here's the new, updated list:

Outdoor Life & Zumbo Sponsors

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Last updated 21 Feb 2007 @ 2206hrs, prior versions obsolete.

Sponsors (and individuals) who remain supportive (or have not yet commented) of Zumbo (i.e. who get ZERO future busine$$)
Bill McRae (another ‘hunter’s only’ anti-)
Thomas McIntyre (Another writer)
SWAROVSKI [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
SAFARI CLUB INTERNATIONAL
STONEY POINT PRODUCTS [email protected],


Sponsors (and individuals in the industry) who left (and get MORE of my $$$)
Remington (http://www.remington.com/library/press/2007/2007-1.asp )
David M. Fortier
SWFA (Chris Farris, TEAM SWFA – Admin www.RifleScopes.com )
Hi-Mountain Seasonings www.himtnjerky.com/
Cabela’s
Tom Gresham (Host, Tom Gresham's Gun Talk radio show www.guntalk.com )
MOSSY OAK [email protected], [email protected],


Sponsors who have commented but are fence-sitting as of yet
Outdoor Life ( pulled his blog, but haven’t fired him and their statement is pretty soft) [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
the NRA: [email protected],
Gerber Legendary Blades Gerbergear.com
Safari Club: [email protected],
and of [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],

Plan to continually update, revise, correct, etc.
Just FYI,
C-
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Cabela's quote:
On Monday, February 19, Cabela’s suspended sponsorship of the Jim Zumbo Outdoors television show until Cabela’s Legal Department could review contractual obligations and commitments relating to our business relationship. As of Tuesday, February 20, Cabela’s has ceased our business relationship with Mr. Zumbo.

Cabela’s strongly disagrees with Mr. Zumbo’s February 16 posting on his Hunting with Jim Zumbo blog on Outdoor Life’s Web site. His opinions on this matter run counter to the beliefs shared by Cabela’s more than 12,000 employees, many of whom are hunters, recreational shooters and firearm enthusiasts.
from: http://forums.cabelas.com/showthread.php?p=19576#post19576

Also, waiting for proof that the only 3 remaining sponsors are:
Swarovski, Gerber Knives, and Stoney Point

-made it into Wikipedia that fast? whew!
-a 'clue-by-four'... i love it!
- don't let your name become a verb! i love it more!!!
-BTW: grassroots group possibly forming a nidus at: http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=304334 i am sure they could use a name like 20-07, for example...

C-
 
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