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[Tim the student]

I think he is playing HIS role.

Yep. I have a feeling that George is probably not a very good actor.

 

[Gouranga]

Anyone else think that George is playing a role?

I really hope so. I am sure they are just picking the choicest parts of his interviews to put in the show and maybe they are doing a good but of taking things out of context. May also be he and Jay are cool and both understand it is a part to play. I had a bud who was on Judge Judy and he told me how much they had him play it up for the camera. More than anything though. I prefer an honest to goodness competition with everyone just going out there, playing their hearts out and letting the card fall where they may.

If you look at experience, as much as personality I did not like him, you have to admit Jay was one heck of a versatile shooter to take weapons he has no experience with to learn and master them. I mean he competed in that 50 cal with folks who had a good chunk of experience with it and did an adequate job.

In the end of course his speed (or lack thereof) killed him.

 

[mgmorden]

I think he is playing HIS role. I'm sure the director, or whomever picks who gets on the show, makes sure there is conflicting personalities.

Bingo. Remember they didn't have qualifiers for this. As I said earlier - it's not a sport. People sent in audition videos and the show hand picked the participants. Remember - it's not about promoting a competition - it's about making money, and that means drawing in viewers. They are going to pick various people of different personalities just to stir up interesting situations. There's no "role" to play. The show isn't likely "scripted" (though there likely is some editing done to keep interest high - think of how differently some comments can be when taken out of context), but rather they cherry picked contestants that they KNEW would have personality conflicts and create some drama.

 

[HOOfan_1]

I am sure they are just picking the choicest parts of his interviews to put in the show and maybe they are doing a good but of taking things out of context.

In what context would it be more understandable for him to say...
"some people on that team really fail at life" refering to Kyle
"We get it dude, you are a golf instructor, but you can't hang with anyone here shooting" about Jay after he had already eliminated several other contestents.


"Ok dude, sure you shot good, but seriously F you"
"I don't even know what he does...but no way he has seen combat like me or Ashley" -about Jamie.

You can take 95% of that in, or out of context and George still looks like a roid raging jerk.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Remember they didn't have qualifiers for this. As I said earlier - it's not a sport. People sent in audition videos and the show hand picked the participants.

If you are referring to a test of their shooting ability, you are mistaken.

The audition videos and application forms only played a part in reducing the 7000 original applicants to the 50 they invited to the 1 week tryouts. During the tryouts, all 50 had to demonstrate their ability to handle various weapons with minimal instruction. From that group of 50, they select the final 16

 

[airsix]

I've got to say there is some really great level-headed conversation in this thread. Several of you have made statements and observations that really made me re-think my opinions. It didn't change all of them, but it definitely made me think.

My greatest disappointment is the overall lack of respect, honor, and sportsmanship. Like last night's post-competition interviews when George reluctantly acknowledges Jamie's performance and then looks right into the camera and says "But seriously. F**** YOU."

If I were ever privileged to participate I would hope I could maintain integrity, acknowledge with respect when someone outperforms me, and survive strictly based on my skill as a competitor, not as a schemer. I know that's not how the show works, but that's what I'd like to see.

My ideal competitor would crave the elimination round. Someone with the balls to say "I came here to compete and it would be an honor to compete head to head with each and every one of you. I welcome it and encourage you to vote for me at every opportunity. I would consider it an honor." That's the way to find the top shot. Everything else is Top Weasel. Think about it. The people avoiding the elimination round are avoiding competition. If they were true competitors they would be actively seeking opportunities to go head to head, not hiding at the back of the line.

 

[esheato]

Truthfully though I'm fine with anybody but George winning.

Amen to that!

 

[mgmorden]

If you are referring to a test of their shooting ability, you are mistaken.

The audition videos and application forms only played a part in reducing the 7000 original applicants to the 50 they invited to the 1 week tryouts. During the tryouts, all 50 had to demonstrate their ability to handle various weapons with minimal instruction. From that group of 50, they select the final 16

Oh indeed I have no doubts that they wouldn't let just anyone on the show - I'm just saying it's not as if it was a competition where the top 16 shooters made it to the show. Out of their 50 originals they likely were simply testing to make sure that they were shooting at a level appropriate for the competition and that they were safe. Beyond that though I'm sure most of the stuff was based on personality (both standalone and as a group dynamic), physical fitness/attractiveness (remember, it's a TV show) and other such factors.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

i want jaime to beat george preferably in a humiliating way

 

[cleardiddion]

i want jaime to beat george preferably in a humiliating way

This, times about a thousand.

I didn't really embrace any of the characters like the last season but so far I've been the saddest to see Jay go. This 'competition' is making me facepalm so hard I think my brain landed about 25 yds behind me.

 

[al123]

What made the final shows of last season better (IMO) was there was plenty of drama in sudden death competition i.e. three finalists would be eliminated at once. It was put up or shut up. That season had plenty of personality conflicts, but the drama added to the competition and the suspense. In season 2, it's now become all about the scheming, and shooting performance has become secondary.

Voting people off during the team competition phase, one had to at least consider that if you kick off a member you didn't like, but shot well, it might affect your chances of you making the finals since you've created a weaker team. Whether the teams made wise choices or not, they had to accept the results of their decisions. Performance does matter.

At the individual competition stage there is no such consideration. What Jay could have done other than be a military member? What Jamie could have done, but somehow be better buddies? Performance has become irrelevant. IMO, it's a unwelcome and unnecessary move on the producers part to have voting at this phase.

 

[.338-06]

Remind me again why George hasn't been sent to the elimination range. He isn't that good a shooter, outside his own mind, and Jamie has outshot him on several of the challenges, including beating him by one second on the .50. So why is he still there?

 

[wtxj]

Any of you guys heard of Appleseed, go to that site, search top shot. Should bring up a thread started by Jamie, while he was overseas. He is back in country at this time. Of course no show info, but he talks about the little war that he and George are having.

 

[Rembrandt]

George, (who is full of himself) made a one shot hit off the misfortunes of others.....by observing the wind from other shooters errant shots. Had he shot first, his enlarged ego would have been tempered with a dose of embarrassment and humility.

Have to wonder why George wasn't chosen as the "first shooter" in the challenge so he could impress us with his superhuman skills of marksmanship and lead the others to stellar performances, (like he's done as a sniper instructor)....I'd bet there is just as much behind the scenes manipulation by the producers to achieve a desired result. Producers had to know George would mentally calculate the necessary wind by observing others impacts. We all see film footage of the manipulative drama back at the house.....I think the producers are doing the same thing at a bar down the road.

One thing you can say about military training, they're taught to work as a team and protect each others back. The Marines have done just that.....another episode or two and they have to start eating their own.

 

[txhoghunter]

Remind me again why George hasn't been sent to the elimination range. He isn't that good a shooter, outside his own mind, and Jamie has outshot him on several of the challenges, including beating him by one second on the .50. So why is he still there?

As much as his personality ticks me off....the Barrett challenge is not one that he deserved to go to elimination for. As far as I'm concerned, he outperformed the others. Yes, I know the challenge was time-based, but I even had doubts that George would be able to hit on his first shot.

In the other challenges he has proven that he was a good marksman as well. He really has not been the worst on his team and that is why he has not gone to elimination.

Now that it's an "individual" competition, it helps too keep him out of elimination that he still has been able to make friends. But it's more of a military based friendship as opposed to personality, because I honestly feel that the other military guys are getting tired of his crummy personality. (yes I edited to make that 'G' rated )

 

[rodensouth]

So frustrating seeing those two go to elimination. I feel bad for Jay, and Goerge is dissapointing. No vets I know act that way, and that's why I respect them.

 

[txhoghunter]

Okay I just read some bio's....George constantly criticized Jamie for not saying what he has done in the Navy...

I think Jamie is just wanting to be humble about all of this and trying to keep it a shooting competition instead of a popularity contest (unfortunately....that is now what it is)

Anyways, Jamie has a few notches on his belt:

• Navy rifle and pistol marksmanship expert
• Joint Service Commendation Medal
• 4 Navy/Marine Corps achievement medals
• Navy Meritorious Unit commendation and National Defense Service medal

 

[Old krow]

George reluctantly acknowledges Jamie's performance and then looks right into the camera and says "But seriously. F**** YOU."

That was pretty much garbage in my opinion.

I don't know where it all goes from here, but, it doesn't appear to be based on competition. It's leaning pretty far to the "reality tv" side of the spectrum as opposed to an actual competition. I'd like to finish this season in hopes that George loses to Jamie, but I seriously doubt that I'll watch the next.

As annoying as I thought Jay was, I think that he is a better competitor than some of them on there. He really didn't deserve to go to the elimination challenge.

 

[Storz]

Really hope George goes home soon, other than him I like all the competitors.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

whats georges curriculum vitae?

 

[Kingofthehill]

im so sick of George, I hope he finds his way home soon. I am not a fan of Jay's either, especially when he started saying how the instructor was praising him about calling his shots. Calling your shots or not, they were still out of the ring.

I do love this seasons choices of firearms! Im so glad they opened it up a bit and brought some cool/interesting stuff to the spotlight!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very sad to see it turn into a totally military Vs Civilian situation.

 

[9mmforMe]

George is a straight up punk! He is so full of himself, rude, disrespectful and will not be the winner of this "competition".

 

[nwilliams]

I really hope so. I am sure they are just picking the choicest parts of his interviews to put in the show and maybe they are doing a good but of taking things out of context.

I would doubt that very much, his a-hole attitude seems way too natural. I'd like to see him go to an elimination challenge against Jamie and get beat, that would be hilarious!

 

[Morrell]

I was just waiting for someone go get garand thumb. Thought Jay would for sure

 

[Grunt Medic TXARNG]

I've only seen 'Garand thumb' when single loading the M-1 for slow fire - when reloading with an 8-round en bloc clip there's no reason to stick a digit into the action. Or am I missing something, here?