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Just 1 per squad per phase, it's called getting "peered". It's a good way to cut dead weight...until Florida (last phase) when everyone is pretty squared away and you feel bad having to vote for someone.
As far as Top Shot goes, they'll never get rid of the voting and drama...whether we (gun enthusiasts) like it is immaterial...most viewers of "reality" TV lap up the drama and that's all they care about.
BushyGuy
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i am hoping Brian Zins wins the Top shot, i was rooting for jamie he was the only level headed person on the show without a huge ship on his shoulder. Talk abt constructive criticism!
CraigC
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Jamie was the only one with any character. The rest are back-stabbing old women. `Tis a shame.
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This is a television program and I believe it is within the realm of possibility that manipulation of the weapons and courses of fire is occurring at any point to maintain and increase viewership. Chris is a viewer favorite and a shotgun champion. The choice of shotgun and clay pigeons for the elimination is just too convenient not to raise suspicion. Chris is a shotgun champion. He is either extremely lucky or the fix was in.
I am a veteran and disgusted with the hypocrisy and pettiness of the military shooters. I am not surprised though. There is far more talk of honor in the military than demonstration, and in my experience this is true even among elite units.
Jamie without a doubt is who I would trust the most to watch my back. My opinion of George is that he is a narcissist with an eggshell thick sense of honor. Break that egg shell and he is likely to resort to dishonorable behavior to defend his ego. However, my opinion is based on what I am seeing on television program that is almost certainly manipulated to maintain and increase viewership. That being said, I am a Sniper School graduate and knew another graduate very much like what George appears to be.
I am a veteran and disgusted with the hypocrisy and pettiness of the military shooters. I am not surprised though. There is far more talk of honor in the military than demonstration, and in my experience this is true even among elite units.
Jamie without a doubt is who I would trust the most to watch my back. My opinion of George is that he is a narcissist with an eggshell thick sense of honor. Break that egg shell and he is likely to resort to dishonorable behavior to defend his ego. However, my opinion is based on what I am seeing on television program that is almost certainly manipulated to maintain and increase viewership. That being said, I am a Sniper School graduate and knew another graduate very much like what George appears to be.
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Maybe they could do it like American idol and let the public vote for who goes. Brian would be the only one of the top 4 to get a vote from me
This is a television program and I believe it is within the realm of possibility that manipulation of the weapons and courses of fire is occurring at any point to maintain and increase viewership. Chris is a viewer favorite and a shotgun champion. The choice of shotgun and clay pigeons for the elimination is just too convenient not to raise suspicion. Chris is a shotgun champion. He is either extremely lucky or the fix was in.
It wouldn't be too hard to have two alternate elimination challenges, but it would require two experts (and the risk of an expert being called in, not being used, and blabbing). I doubt it was done in this case, and the fact seems to be that more and more of us were supporting Jamie as the other guys are huge jerks. I was rooting for Chris Reed earlier, but he's been riding the coattails of George way too long. Jamie pulling off the win would have been a much more heartwarming story to create.
And I would agree on George. He can shoot, and has earned his spot. But that doesn't mean I want to be anywhere near him.
It wouldn't be too hard to have two alternate elimination challenges, but it would require two experts (and the risk of an expert being called in, not being used, and blabbing). I doubt it was done in this case, and the fact seems to be that more and more of us were supporting Jamie as the other guys are huge jerks. I was rooting for Chris Reed earlier, but he's been riding the coattails of George way too long. Jamie pulling off the win would have been a much more heartwarming story to create.
And I would agree on George. He can shoot, and has earned his spot. But that doesn't mean I want to be anywhere near him.
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docnyt
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Whatever happens next, Jamie is this season's Top Shot, just like Kelly was in the first season. Weight should be given to the number of elimination rounds a competitor passes without provocation, i.e. when nominated not because of performance. But heck this is "reality" TV.
Jim Watson
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Granted the Survivor voting format, what's this "performance based" stuff?
They are talking like they should vote out the low scoring shooters like it was a real shooting match with a J Ladder. In TV Land the correct tactic would be for you to vote out the BEST shooter hoping he would crash in the elimination and reduce the competition to you.
They are talking like they should vote out the low scoring shooters like it was a real shooting match with a J Ladder. In TV Land the correct tactic would be for you to vote out the BEST shooter hoping he would crash in the elimination and reduce the competition to you.
Tim the student
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One can hope. Right now, I'm not very inclined to watch next season, but this may give me a reason to.
That is what logic and sound tactics would come up with...anything else would be posturing
One of the Blue Team's first tactical mistakes was sitting out the Red Team's injured shooter during the Assault Challenge
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the challenge and elimination looked fun. sad to see jaime leave the show. those remaining four have no honor.
Arkansas Paul
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I don't remember Brian saying or doing anything dishonorable. What did I miss?
Jamie didn't vote performance based either. He voted for Chris Reed because he didn't want to shoot pistols against Brian Zins. Yeah, it backfired on him.
Just sayin.
I was disappointed to see Jamie go. Even if he didn't make it to the end I was rooting for him to survive that 4th elimination.
I think it was inevitable that he'd be picked for this elimination challenge for one of two reasons. He's either recognized as a real threat having survived 3 such challenges against remarkable shooters and at this point was a logical choice to try to eliminate OR he's still not part of the "gang" and subject to clique exclusion. Either way, I was amused when he was asked if he'd be surprised if he was selected for elimination and he replied that it would be completely illogical to be chosen on performance so he expected to be selected. Funny and prophetic.
I think it was inevitable that he'd be picked for this elimination challenge for one of two reasons. He's either recognized as a real threat having survived 3 such challenges against remarkable shooters and at this point was a logical choice to try to eliminate OR he's still not part of the "gang" and subject to clique exclusion. Either way, I was amused when he was asked if he'd be surprised if he was selected for elimination and he replied that it would be completely illogical to be chosen on performance so he expected to be selected. Funny and prophetic.
KodiakBeer
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He's been voting against Jamie for the last several episodes along with the rest of the gang. Oddly, Brian has been the bottom shooter on at least two challenges but avoided getting voted for elimination with his buddy system. He's the weakest link and has been for a while.
There's some good shooters left, but none of them have an iota of ethics.
While it may come as a surprise to some...which is even more surprising when you consider where we are posting...the point in elimination, when you get a choice, is to pick whomever you see as the weakest shooter. It is hard when you are closely involved in the situation, but his best chance, based on recent performance, would have been Brian Zins
I see that many folks can't seem to make the shift from the team portion to the individuals portion of the competition...most of the competitors can't seem to make the shift either.
If played logically, the team portion should be about building a strong team to stay out of elimination...but this is also your best chance to pit the two best shooters on your team against each other so you won't have to shoot against them later. The downside of that is that your team goes to elimination more...but if you have faith in your ability, it shouldn't matter
During the individual competition, the goal should be to eliminate the strongest shooters...that is why the show gives the best shooter immunity, so that the other shooters can't send him to elimination. Folks just don't understand how the game is played
Arkansas Paul
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Oh, I agree. I didn't say I blamed him.
You're absolutely right. In the individual competition, the goal should be to get rid of the people you don't think you have as good a chance against.
It's a one man competition at the end of the day. Did I hear them correctly that only one episode is left?
You're absolutely right. In the individual competition, the goal should be to get rid of the people you don't think you have as good a chance against.
It's a one man competition at the end of the day. Did I hear them correctly that only one episode is left?
What I have had to accept is the fact that the viewers and competitors do not share a common objective. We want to see who's the best shot. The competitors on the other hand are there to win the purse, which is a completely different objective. They aren't after the truth, they're after the money. When I look at it that way it makes it easier to understand how sportsmanship and honor fell by the wayside. If the reward were a token (a turkey, a trophy, a plaque) I think it would be easier to maintain an honorable and sporting competition.
Can't do that because they film it ahead. They need to cut the tape, add music, etc. Post-production, they call it. We don't see all the time needed to reset the targets, etc.
I've tried to figure out how long it take to film an episode. Beyond deciding that it's not all done in one day, I haven't made much progress.
While many would argue that $100k in the survivor/television world really is just a token amount, I don't think it makes much difference. Folks go to much greater extremes for funny little plastic bowls and such
It really is about winning and being able to claim that you became Top Shot
It really is about winning and being able to claim that you became Top Shot
I can answer this one.
Each episode is filmed in 3 days
Day 1: Introduction to Expert and Training
Day 2: Team Challenge
Day 3: Elimination Nomination, Training and Challenge
The whole thing is filmed over a month...I seem to remember once in April-May and once in October-November
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It's taken nearly 24 hours to sort out what bothered me about last nights episode.
"Sportsmanship and firearms".....we in the gun community are a unique sort, we're not felons, we subscribe to honesty and the law, we support hunter ethics and come to the aid of threatened wildlife species. Like it or not the majority of us in shooting sports work at a higher moral and ethical level than other sports.
What the gang of four displayed was not something I'd want kids to emulate. It showed disrespect for others to advance ones self. Herd mentality to bully the shooter that's seems different. Rather than based on performance it was based on prejudice. The gang of four showed how low they would compromise their ethics and values to advance themselves.
The Disney animated movie "CARS" portrayed this perfectly, Chick Hicks did whatever it took to win, and Lightning McQueen gave up a win for something more important.....in the end who was the hero and who was the villain?
The producers of the History Channel have high jacked our sport and used it not for the benefit of the shooting sports....but for their own selfish means. Instead of being ambassadors and role models for the shooting sports, the gang of four have become unwitting pawns. I would have much more respect for the first one that withdrew himself and told the History Channel their show portrays shooters in a bad light......and walk off the set.
Jamie displayed far more character than the other four, his attitude and manner showed sportsmanship is a higher prize than winning. Hope gunny didn't win his 10 championships by manipulating and ganging up on other shooters. I would like to think he got them based on performance and showing leadership to other shooters.
"Sportsmanship and firearms".....we in the gun community are a unique sort, we're not felons, we subscribe to honesty and the law, we support hunter ethics and come to the aid of threatened wildlife species. Like it or not the majority of us in shooting sports work at a higher moral and ethical level than other sports.
What the gang of four displayed was not something I'd want kids to emulate. It showed disrespect for others to advance ones self. Herd mentality to bully the shooter that's seems different. Rather than based on performance it was based on prejudice. The gang of four showed how low they would compromise their ethics and values to advance themselves.
The Disney animated movie "CARS" portrayed this perfectly, Chick Hicks did whatever it took to win, and Lightning McQueen gave up a win for something more important.....in the end who was the hero and who was the villain?
The producers of the History Channel have high jacked our sport and used it not for the benefit of the shooting sports....but for their own selfish means. Instead of being ambassadors and role models for the shooting sports, the gang of four have become unwitting pawns. I would have much more respect for the first one that withdrew himself and told the History Channel their show portrays shooters in a bad light......and walk off the set.
Jamie displayed far more character than the other four, his attitude and manner showed sportsmanship is a higher prize than winning. Hope gunny didn't win his 10 championships by manipulating and ganging up on other shooters. I would like to think he got them based on performance and showing leadership to other shooters.
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