Top shot has really shown me that the supposed "competitive shooter" is pretty fragile in any environment that isn't 100% identical to the events he or she competes in. Like the country sounding guy from season 2 said, you need to take all those awards and accolades with a grain of salt. My money for season three is on any of the contestants without a significant competitive resume.
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I don't think it's just limited to the competition shooters. We've seen military and law enforcement who fall apart once they get out of their comfort zone. It's usually pretty apparent that some of these folks only really shoot one discipline.
The AK challenge definitely looked like fun. You have to give kudos to the red team for pushing themselves more in practice.
The AK challenge definitely looked like fun. You have to give kudos to the red team for pushing themselves more in practice.
USAF_Vet
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I don't know what Blue team was doing practicing a challenge they had already done. Granted, it was smart of them to practice something, but it was pretty useless. Red team irritated me by laughing at them, but then impressed me by doing something during practice other than casually shooting off the bags.
BTW, what is that revolver they are using at the elimination votes? They used the Beretta 92 in S1, The Colt 1911 in S2, and had a little background on both of the guns in the first episode. They skipped that this season.
BTW, what is that revolver they are using at the elimination votes? They used the Beretta 92 in S1, The Colt 1911 in S2, and had a little background on both of the guns in the first episode. They skipped that this season.
I agree but the higher level competitive shooters seem to be the biggest disappointment considering their resume. I honestly feel that there are probably thousands of everyday people out there who are more skilled shooters, but the realities of life have taken them in directions other than the competitive shooting circuit. One of the women from season one (forget her name) was apparently a noteworthy handgun competitor, but during a handgun shooting challenge she looked inept next to a bunch a no-name enthusiasts and military guys with little or no competitive experience. Most of the other "trophy-caliber" shooters didn't fare much better. I just think that many of the shooters with a recognized competitive background are totally out of their comfort zone when you remove them from the heavily scripted shooting runs they train for day after day.
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Seattleimport
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I'm enjoying this season more than last season. More screen time on the competitions, less on drama in the house.
I also like the little competition synopsis, summarizing the name, rules, goals. This orients the viewer and reinforces that (at least at this stage in the season) the focus is on the competition, not the competitors.
Kudos to Top Shot's producers.
I also like the little competition synopsis, summarizing the name, rules, goals. This orients the viewer and reinforces that (at least at this stage in the season) the focus is on the competition, not the competitors.
Kudos to Top Shot's producers.
That was Season 2, Season 1 only had one female shooter and she was a LEO
Season 2 had the World Class USPSA shooter (Athena from TX, who is representing the USA in the ISPC World Championships) and a 3-Gun Champion (Maggie from CA). Chris Tilley, as well as Blake and JJ (season 1) are also representing the USA at the World shoot
Well for this season I kinda hope they are!
Got my fingers crossed...I'm really hoping the self-taught Christian camp guy really gets under some of the other competitors' skins!
You know...kinda like Boyd gettin' under Raylan's skin in season 1 of Justified!
Madcap_Magician
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I was really surprised as to how well the self-taught camp director guy did. His form and shooting skills were fantastic, and he was speedy on a reload. I think a lot of people were underestimating him because he had no resume, but a lot of those people are a little intimidated now, I think.
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I feel bad that Sara ended up going home. Nobody on blue team particularly deserved to go, as they all performed about equally, and she didn't deserve to get picked on just because a couple guys thought she was physically weaker than they are.
I think our coach/Navy SEAL friend may be this season's George.
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I feel bad that Sara ended up going home. Nobody on blue team particularly deserved to go, as they all performed about equally, and she didn't deserve to get picked on just because a couple guys thought she was physically weaker than they are.
I think our coach/Navy SEAL friend may be this season's George.
Hawthorne2k
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Iain Harrison, the winner of Top Shot Season One, was billed as a "British army captain" throughout the show, which is true. He's also a top-notch three gun competitor in Heavy Metal Trooper, arguably the most physically demand shooting sport out there short of biathlon. I think there's some truth to what you're saying, but the competitors without competitive experience seem to flop pretty hard, too.
Cal-gun Fan
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Well for this season I kinda hope they are!
Got my fingers crossed...I'm really hoping the self-taught Christian camp guy really gets under some of the other competitors' skins!
You know...kinda like Boyd gettin' under Raylan's skin in season 1 of Justified!
+1 for Justified!
The AK challenge made me want to go play with my SGL....but High School homework prohibits that
EVIL
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That guy is a tool, and generally unrepresentitive of Naval officers writ large (I was one until '09) Most seal teams guys are laid back confident dudes who exude leadership with out trying to hard, and lead by example, and not by bossing others around (it is not neccesary on a seal team as most know thier jobs and are experts at doing it.)
...though his attitude shows his Naval Academy commisioning source...Most of us NROTC guys always said the the USNA produced some of the best officers and some of the worst officers. ... this guy seems like he has something to prove - which is atypical of most of the dudes I knew in the special warfare community.
I hate to see a fellow former Naval officer badly aquit himself publically, and I was glad to see the former Marine out-shoot him in the team challenge! Though the Navy has produced it's share of tool naval officers to be sure...
easyg
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Maybe he has "short man syndrome", but for whatever reason he is a total jerk and I hope he doesn't last long.
My guess it that comes more from his background as a high school football coach an not a Naval Officer.
He acts like he is trying to coach teenagers learning the game, instead of adults who are already accomplished.
I don't for one second believe the Self-taught everyman story about Dustin either...there is more there than meets the eye.
He acts like he is trying to coach teenagers learning the game, instead of adults who are already accomplished.
I don't for one second believe the Self-taught everyman story about Dustin either...there is more there than meets the eye.
I have to agree that that former Navy SEAL officer is a loser and an embarrassment to the SEAL's and Naval officer Corp. His ghetto use of profanity, use of physical intimidation as a leadership technique and poor control of emotion makes me wonder how he got to be a leader of Navy SEAL's. Of well, all I can do is hope he gets out shot and kicked out ASAP.
Jake is an embarrassment to the Navy. From what I've read, he made the SEALs and then bitched about being discriminated against because he's black. Seems to me that the only reason he made it to the team was because of affirmative action. No one with this short a fuse should ever be allowed in special forces. He passed the physical requirements, but should have been denied for psychological reasons. And since when career Naval officers behave like ghetto trash?
Sara is another affirmative action girl. She is a terrible shooter and fails to deliver under pressure. Yet she was an MP and a is on a SWAT team. That's just what we need, incompetent people with authority to kill.
Overall, great season and interesting challenges. I'm waiting for the next week's episode.
Sara is another affirmative action girl. She is a terrible shooter and fails to deliver under pressure. Yet she was an MP and a is on a SWAT team. That's just what we need, incompetent people with authority to kill.
Overall, great season and interesting challenges. I'm waiting for the next week's episode.
Arkansas Paul
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That's how I always pictured it. Those guys are the best of the best. I always figured they didn't need to be told a lot. They're likely briefed to death before any mission and everyone knows what everyone else will be doing to the letter.
Also, you have to be able to follow before you can lead. I don't see him being very good at that.
easyg
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That was an interesting article.
But it does sound like the military is lowering standards just to fill racial quotas....
From that article...
EVIL
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This wasn't my experience. I served under & with some outstanding black officers who were awesome warriors. I never witnessed, nor tolerated any sort of racial bigotry in the NAVY, especially in the officer corps. At one point, every officer in my operational chain of command from Commadore on down to my immediate superior was black, and my CO still gave me the #1 ranking in my paygrade over a black same-rank peer officer based on performance alone. Merit based ranking is truly alive and well in the US Navy. Are there some folks who where raised racists and still have some racial hang-ups - probably. But any sort of racial preferential treatment is frowned upon by 99.99% of naval officers.
I know that the Service academies have racial & gender based quotas, but this is imposed on them by the congress critters, and all of the applicants meet extremely high entrance qualifications.
Don't be a SEAL if you can't swim - or learn how to before you try to go to BUDS. Capable service members do what they need to, even on thier own time, to suceed in thier career. Shame on whoever deviates from this.
I know that the Service academies have racial & gender based quotas, but this is imposed on them by the congress critters, and all of the applicants meet extremely high entrance qualifications.
Don't be a SEAL if you can't swim - or learn how to before you try to go to BUDS. Capable service members do what they need to, even on thier own time, to suceed in thier career. Shame on whoever deviates from this.
I see this Jake guy was really discriminated. His radio station was changed from rap to country. How horrible! He was probably annoying everyone with his loud music and his loud ghetto attitude. A little prank is a sign of racism in his eyes. What a tool! I hope he gets eliminated early on so we don't hear his trap any more.
Once again, I had a pleasure of meeting a couple of former special forces guys and all of them are very calm and level-headed. This Jake is a total opposite. So it is obvious politics played a big role in his being a SEAL.
Once again, I had a pleasure of meeting a couple of former special forces guys and all of them are very calm and level-headed. This Jake is a total opposite. So it is obvious politics played a big role in his being a SEAL.
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RE: Jake
Also, he didn't last long in either the Navy or the SEALs. An 11 year career as an officer? 5 (or was it 6? I don't recall) years as a SEAL. Now he's a football coach. I know I'm speculating here, but it doesn't sound like his Naval career was very successful. If his attitude paled a role in that, I wouldn't be surprised.
Also, he didn't last long in either the Navy or the SEALs. An 11 year career as an officer? 5 (or was it 6? I don't recall) years as a SEAL. Now he's a football coach. I know I'm speculating here, but it doesn't sound like his Naval career was very successful. If his attitude paled a role in that, I wouldn't be surprised.
Apocalypse-Now
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i can't watch that show. it's like MTV's "the real world" with guns. too much drama for me lol
docnyt
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Is it just me, or does Jake remind anybody of Major Payne?
I do admire his enthusiasm for diving face first into a waist deep mudhole. But he sounds too much like a high school football coach. Too much yelling and not much leadership. I can hear it now:
"Major Payne: Do not attempt to challenge my authority. I have eight weeks to turn you gaggle of maggots into a well-disciplined cadet unit. From this day forward your sorry [edited: behinds] belong to me. You will not eat, sleep, drink, blow your nose or dig in your [edited again:behinds] without my say so. Know this, killing is my business, ladies, and business is good."
I do admire his enthusiasm for diving face first into a waist deep mudhole. But he sounds too much like a high school football coach. Too much yelling and not much leadership. I can hear it now:
"Major Payne: Do not attempt to challenge my authority. I have eight weeks to turn you gaggle of maggots into a well-disciplined cadet unit. From this day forward your sorry [edited: behinds] belong to me. You will not eat, sleep, drink, blow your nose or dig in your [edited again:behinds] without my say so. Know this, killing is my business, ladies, and business is good."
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